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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby liveforphysics » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:46 pm

Kingfish wrote:Whew! <wipe brow>

OK - last of the wiring was done yesterday.

Last of the sewing was just finished. I won't win any awards, but the cover (Version 5) for this trailer is DONE. It looks best from a distance :| :lol: although it is slippery. If I had more time... I dunno; I did the best that I could with the materials and tools that I had, and given that I was running out of zip-ties. Actually it literally looks like a slipper, just not one that I would wear. Originally I was kinda thinking it reminds me of the vehicle that brought me to this world - sans the flagellum drive unit of course :wink: Why it came out this way I guess is one of Life's little mysteries.

Anyways - all that is left to do is ... leave.

To Leave, I need to prep and load and top-off; probably an hour. I might as well get started then...
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You have GOT to post up a few pics before you leave after that awesome description. :-)
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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby SamTexas » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:41 pm

Kingfish wrote:Anyways - all that is left to do is ... leave.

To Leave, I need to prep and load and top-off; probably an hour. I might as well get started then...
dumb dee dum ♪ ♪ KF


It's been 3 hrs now, so you should already been on the road. How many miles are you going to ride today? Have fun.
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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:08 pm

SamTexas wrote:
Kingfish wrote:Anyways - all that is left to do is ... leave.

To Leave, I need to prep and load and top-off; probably an hour. I might as well get started then...
dumb dee dum ♪ ♪ KF


It's been 3 hrs now, so you should already been on the road. How many miles are you going to ride today? Have fun.


Packing the BATTERIES took two hours. I thought this was going to be a no-brainer; I've loaded the batteries into the boxes before but the boxes are now installed in the trailer and the lids don't quite open all the way due to other items pertaining to the faring. AND - I took precious time to consider how the wiring was going to lay, plus I added foam padding - you know - like I was going on a road trip instead of "oh lookie see how the nice the batteries fit?" :lol: Then I strapped the lids down with one of those ratchet tie-down things which doubles to contrain the boxes to the framework should my fasteners decide to fail (aka pothole).

The trailer is now officially "heavy" with the full-designed load:
Batteries => 60 * 1.27 lb.s each = 76.2 lbs.
Hub Motor = 14 lbs.
Wheel = figure 5 lbs. with DH tube, rim, spokes, and beefy Hookworm
Frame = 3.8 lbs.
Custom framework = 5 lbs easily; the CrMo Truss running through the BB is the heaviest item.
Faring = 5 lbs; Vinyl is heavy shite man, but most is kept to a minimum.
Clothes = 10-15 lbs
Spare parts = 3 DH tubes; 10 lbs easily
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Total = 134 lbs? Maybe.

I can still lift the rear tire off the ground though it takes two hands. It handles being dropped a foot; no creaks or pops. Side-to-side wobble is more pronounced - but that's me wiggling it back and forth at the rear tire; this is translated into trailer-frame twisting which I attribute to the low rise/low profile of the triangle/seatpost. I think it will be fine. Rotating the ebike (leaning it over) so I can mount it is easy and near the CenterLine; the bike controls the moment and not the trailer.

Topped-off with a charge; for the first time all batteries are unified! Took maybe 15 minutes to top them off. I'll give it one more shot before bedtime so the morning goes quickly.

Pictures: Uno momento por favor :)
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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:24 pm

OK, pictures posted on the Pusher-Trailer: A Bicycle-Frame Solution thread.

Enjoy! KF :mrgreen:
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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby speedict » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:02 am

grindz145 wrote:Speedict is so slick....just wish it went to 100V! I run nearly everything at 20S...

Keep it up KF!~


today we have got email from EV team requires 600V 500A, interesting after discussed with our engineers, we decided to give it a try and draw him a diagram, i would like to share it here, anyone who to measure 1000v 700A just call me !

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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby grindz145 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:46 am

O wow, that looks fantastic. The cover makes it look really lagitt. Now lets get this party rolling!
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Re: Going to California: 2011

Postby grindz145 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:51 am

speedict wrote:
grindz145 wrote:Speedict is so slick....just wish it went to 100V! I run nearly everything at 20S...

Keep it up KF!~


today we have got email from EV team requires 600V 500A, interesting after discussed with our engineers, we decided to give it a try and draw him a diagram, i would like to share it here, anyone who to measure 1000v 700A just call me !

cheers,

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That's awesome. It's a little less slick because I need a separate regulator, but on one of the next 3 builds I have going, I'll have to try one. I LOVE the idea.
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On the Road

Postby Kingfish » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:12 pm

Jack Kerouac, On the Road wrote:"We were all delighted, we all realized we were leaving confusion and nonsense behind and performing our one noble function of the time, move."

"Why think about that when all the golden land's ahead of you and all kinds of unforeseen events wait lurking to surprise you and make you glad you're alive to see?"

"What is that feeling when you're driving away from people and they recede on the plain till you see their specks dispersing? — it's the too-huge world vaulting us, and it's good-by. But we lean forward to the next crazy venture beneath the skies."


It is time that I depart this world so as to meet the next. The Gypsy Spirit rises within me, nomadic soul, restless wanderer that it is – to stare down limitless lines of asphalt and concrete, dodging repeatedly the debris other travelers where margins permit my lee. Pass kindly sir for I am but a mere mortal on my mechanical machination, an augment of reality that allows for the briefest of moments to manipulate my physical realm with greater speed than one could humanly imagine just a few scant years before. This is an odyssey; a compact between myself and my maker to purge the demons that plague my creative mind… and shed a few pounds in the process. The void calls to me like the siren sweetly singing… as I yam wot I yam, and that’s all that I yam:

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Leaving Now(); KF 8)
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:18 pm

The Road Trip has been cancelled.

Stability Issues
I was unable to go very far today, thus I returned and disassembled the trailer from the bike. This configuration is not suitable for this much weight – and in fact was not much of an improvement over the Bob Ibex trailer it was designed to replace.

Generally the symptom was that the axial twisting of the trailer bike frame propagated forward and radically affected steering as speed picked up, creating instability and inability to control steering. This issue does not manifest going uphill. At the most fundamental level I deemed the arraignment unsafe at any speed under heavy load.

Contributing factors
No single element is responsible; several played a part and worked in concert to generate an unsafe experience.
  • Bike Frame: The dual-tube inline framework from steering to rear axle is inherently unable to cope with wide loads. A better design would be one of three tubes arraigned as a triangle in cross-section from front to back, like a 3-pole truss. This would reduce the axial twisting force greatly if designed correctly. Instead I relied upon a single unsupported CroMoly tube passing through the Bottom Bracket. The twisting was most evident when under heavy load, and oscillated when speeds reached beyond 5 mph.
  • Wide Hookworm Tires: These wide balloon tires have great traction; however they have a poorly-constructed sidewalls which allows the rim to move laterally from side-to-side during cornering. On a two-wheel bike one hardly notices the effect. Yet on a trailer that is oscillating, the rhythm is enhanced by the wandering of the rim upon the wheel; the very nature of soft suspension Balloon tires profoundly enhances movement by having weak sidewalls. A better solution would be to upgrade to DOT tires.
  • Full-Suspension: A full-suspension bike frame generally has one or more pivot points. In my case I have multiple between three links discounting the shock absorber that connect the rear frame to the main frame. The bearings that are used on this frame are suitable for a single human rider, possibly with a knapsack. Generally they do not make bike racks for FS-MtBs because of the wide assortment of articulation, and that the pivots are not designed to handle lateral loads; there is too much potential play in the linkage to create a stable towing foundation; this I learned today. The proper solution would be to use oversized bearings to prevent lateral frame deflection such as found on motorcycles. Earlier I noted that having my secondary battery bag on top of the bike rack created scary conditions similar to tail wagging-the-dog. The trailer loaded up with gear magnifies this effect by just being a large link or lever with huge mass.

Unfortunately all this scientific explanation cannot fix the problems today. If I were to apply a correction then the Because-Simple bike frame would need to be replaced. If money were no object I’d have a custom trailer made-to-order likely using two wheels for stability and eliminate twisting altogether. This is not going to happen soon. :|

Therefore I wish to say that the bike trip to California is off due to instability. I am far happier to have a failure at the beginning of the trip than if it were later when in-between desert towns, although clearly I am disappointed for losing the race altogether. Not all is lost though as my eBike is in top-flight shape, and much was gleaned from the trailer exercise. :)

On the bright side, I can now focus on my next project, and possibly go back to work sooner to create a budget for the next project or two. For now – I am ready for a nap.

AFTER NAP:
I got up and discussed the issue with my senior pit crew (aka Uncle); Unc thought that I might need more tongue weight. Intrigued, I hooked the trailer back up and loaded the batteries (though not connected), and added four gallons of frozen water (kept in the freezer for enhanced energy efficiency) to the front of the trailer, as if I replaced the clothes with more than enough weight. A static wobble test ensued: The assembly now had even more profound wobble – and I was able to detect slop in my full-suspension linkage which could be resolved by adding another washer; certainly a work-item and definitely contributing to the ricketiness. However the smoking gun was staring at me in the face and there was no way this frame could work with this much load.

Future?
It is possible that the trailer could be put to use for one of my other potential interests as a Kayak Trailer; typical kayaks weigh about 40-45 lbs. That’s about the best use scenario that I could come up with.

For now – I’m taking a break. I‘ll write more later - and post the final pictures.

Dreaming of new plans, KF
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Joseph C. » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:45 pm

Damn! A little bit of me died reading that.

Hopefully, you will do it soon though.
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby jonathanm » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:23 pm

oh noes......hope you're not too miffed about it, you put a lot off effort into that....maybe you should get away on a shorter trip without the trailer, you deserve it after all that...
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Green Machine » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:37 am

Kingfish,

Really sorry to hear.

you sure you cant do the trip with less battery in the panniers of the bike...just more stops more camping? I have a hammock i use for bike camping that stuffs down to the size of a grapefruit. I could easily fit camping supplies and 50 amp hours (48v) of battery in my panniers.

I hope you figure out a way to do trip anyway.
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:34 am

Pictures and final farewell of this configuration.

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Top View: Note that the right pannier is not mounted (cos I have the camera out). A wee bit of aero don’t you think? :)

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Rear ¾ View: It speaks for itself, yes? Can you spot my 2nd bit of bling? :D

Green Machine wrote:Kingfish,

Really sorry to hear.

you sure you cant do the trip with less battery in the panniers of the bike...just more stops more camping? I have a hammock i use for bike camping that stuffs down to the size of a grapefruit. I could easily fit camping supplies and 50 amp hours (48v) of battery in my panniers.

I hope you figure out a way to do trip anyway.


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I am considering an alternative originally conceived by you in a PM wherein I ditch the trailer; hear me out:

  1. Must fix the full-suspension linkage issue first (brass washer; possibly custom == Machinist)
  2. Make a mad dash to Seattle Fabrics and snag more material for making a custom saddle bag, er – maybe two.
  3. Create said bags; dump the batteries into that – balancing the weight fore and aft upon the frame.
  4. Pull the rear wheel off the trailer, convert it to disc brake and mount it on the ebike; no easy task if we recall the issues that I had with the front disc brake (again, Machinist?). Though the tire is only 24” (actually 25” with the Hookworm mounted), overall it should reduce the height of the bike by 1”.
  5. Find a single- or triple-speed freewheel and mount this onto the rear hub; lighter, higher-quality than the 7-speed. Caveat: May need to replace the chain. A single speed means we don’t change gears in the rear; we can dial it in where it needs to be.
Now we have a heavy-duty 2WD eBike! :twisted:

I dunno if it is possible, but the cost of conversion is slight relatively speaking, and it’s my vacation is it not? :wink:

Worth a shot, KF
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby dbaker » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:44 am

That was my general reflection as well. What would I do to get all of the stuff (well maybe not ALL of it) back on the bike to get on the road? Do you really need 2WD?

Especially if you can get some more weight on the front. I think the key is balance... :)
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby dbaker » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:47 am

KF: Can you spot my 2nd bit of bling?

Is it the propeller on the back of the bike?
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:06 am

dbaker wrote:KF: Can you spot my 2nd bit of bling?

Is it the propeller on the back of the bike?

Ding Ding Ding! We have a Winner :D

It was one of those must-have kinda things, like the Hot Wheels nerf padding up forward :wink:

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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:15 am

dbaker wrote:That was my general reflection as well. What would I do to get all of the stuff (well maybe not ALL of it) back on the bike to get on the road? Do you really need 2WD?

Especially if you can get some more weight on the front. I think the key is balance... :)

2WD is a must for hill climbing else the motor gets too hot; I nearly roasted my last climbing up the steep grade heading towards Johnsville, CA and on Gold Lake Road.

The other thought was to ditch as much weight as possible; go with 2-day change of clothes, no spare batteries, essential tools. Batteries though ARE the prime contributor to weight and there is no getting around that to make the distance. Shedding the trailer saves maybe 20 lbs plus the rear bike tire, although we're back to an overloaded bike again. :roll:

The big challenge is to overcome the tail-wagging-the-dog when load is placed upon the rear rack, and it could be that the washer will reduce this. There's only one way to find out and we can do that quickly without committing to the rest :wink:

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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby liveforphysics » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:46 am

Trailers generally only sway because the percentage of total trailer weight does not put enough of it on the tongue to allow the vehicle to stop the trailer from becoming a pendulum.

In your test adding the frozen water jugs towards the front, you didn't remove/move the problem. IMHO, if you were to put all the battery possible strapped right up on the tongue or at least in the forward-most nose area of the trailer, you could avoid the pendulum effect and it would work out for you.


The worst possible thing you can do for a trailer is to make it long and put the weight over the back/rear axle area. This make a device that requires almost no influences to start swinging, and something that will be very difficult to stop swinging.
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby grindz145 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:45 pm

Kingfish wrote:The Road Trip has been cancelled.


NOOOO!

Sorry to hear that, It was really exciting. Sometimes it is worth throwing in the towel and going to the drawing board when its obvious that something isn't going to work, the thing is gorgeous though!
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:23 pm

liveforphysics wrote:Trailers generally only sway because the percentage of total trailer weight does not put enough of it on the tongue to allow the vehicle to stop the trailer from becoming a pendulum.

In your test adding the frozen water jugs towards the front, you didn't remove/move the problem. IMHO, if you were to put all the battery possible strapped right up on the tongue or at least in the forward-most nose area of the trailer, you could avoid the pendulum effect and it would work out for you.


The worst possible thing you can do for a trailer is to make it long and put the weight over the back/rear axle area. This make a device that requires almost no influences to start swinging, and something that will be very difficult to stop swinging.


That wasn't it; not tail-wagging-the-dog. It was axial twisting and oscillation along the length CW and CCW which transmitted forward. Imagine I had a length of rope and I twisted it a little. The length upon that axis would be akin to the hitch at one end and the wheels at the other. When going down the road the trailer-frame would twist CW and CCW ~ like a wobble, though not like a pendulum.

The static test was to see how the wobble would be affected by more weight, and placed forward. This allowed me to discover the cause of the wobble in the full-sus linkage on the eBike which was recently disovered when I placed a modest load upon the bike rack. I can fix that with a 5/16 flat washer from Home Despot :wink:

However it does not solve the trailer problem :cry:

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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Green Machine » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:43 pm

Kingfish,

Can you possibly do a topeak explorer rack and a set of panniers up front?

Or how about my front rack of choice:

http://fortheloveofbikes.blogspot.com/2 ... rrier.html

This is the rack i use...and i can snap large panniers to the side of it.

You may not be able to do because i believe your bike has front suspension...but its worth dumping the front suspension since you dont need on paved road trip anyway.

Also adding front wheel drive it would be better with good ole steel forks non suspension and a snap to install if you have nice large rack up front to mount components. Only hard part is the wheel build.

The motor i would recommend is a bmc 600 torque motor....lightweight and descent hill climber.
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby jonathanm » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:50 pm

So if the trailer frame is twisting, then you have a couple of options - add more metal for bracing, or move to a double wheel at the back....neither is ideal, or gonna be quick...

What about doing some testing with gradually reducing the load on the trailer until it becomes useable, then redesigning the trip to suit what you can take, rather than the other way around? You can then address the trailer torsion issue at leisure with the oracle of sacrificial barleys when you get back.....
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:02 pm

Present Status:
  • I just found a single-speed 13T BMX Freewheel at Redmond Cyclery for $28. However there are two types evidently and the type they have is too wide for my skinny chain. The alternative is to forgo the whole thing and mount the lame 7-speed on. The issue here is that it does not perfectly fit my frame - but then I haven't tried it with the new hub. Worth a shot.
  • The RH has a disc clearance of 15.5mm according to the drawing. I measured my shimmed FH to be 16.5mm; if I purchase 5 shims it will be enough to mount the rear disc brake on the RH.
  • I have been attempting to source some Cordura or Vinyl-coated Polyester locally w/o having to dash into Seattle, however this has come to naught. Figuring a mad dash tomorrow.
  • Need to make a run to Tap Plastics and fetch more HDPE.
  • Fetched 5/16 x 4" bolt & washer from Home Despot.
  • Tonight I'll try to mount the rear hub onto the eBike.
  • I will check to see if my schedule can be pushed out one more week.
Green Machine: In my travels today I thought of several places to stuff batteries; anything is possible.

jonathanm: I think at this point the trailer is a bust. The only way to fix it is to replace the framework. Much can be salvaged for the next trailer. However I agree with you that it would be wise to add weight slowly to the ebike and do a test run until all the batteries could be mounted - if possible.

There is Hope. There is Opportunity. We just need to study it and make certain that we can recover ~ and get back On the Road.

Optimistic, KF
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby Kingfish » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:27 pm

Progress
  • Disassembled the trailer down to basic assemblies so that I could remove the tire. Note to self: Self, with the next trailer design - make sure the wheel can be easily removed without significant disassembly. :roll:
  • Affixed a Shimano 34-14T Mega-Range Freewheel to it. I have a 28-13T Shimano FW also and may end up going with that instead; these spin so much quieter than the Sunrace. Also mounted the Avid 203mm Disc.
  • Mounted said wheel on eBike. Electrical and torque arms need to get sorted out.
  • Getting the disc brake to align was a bugger though not as bad as the front; it could use some shims. Might need longer bolts for brake bracket as I had to use two washers to shove it out far enough to match the disc; weird.

That’s as far as I got. Time for Friday’s medication, er… meditation at the OoSB.

Cheers, KF
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Re: On the Road: Going to California: 2011

Postby deVries » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:30 pm

liveforphysics wrote:The worst possible thing you can do for a trailer is to make it long and put the weight over the back/rear axle area. This make a device that requires almost no influences to start swinging, and something that will be very difficult to stop swinging.

Actually, the worst possible thing you can do for your trailer is build it & test it (correction: not "test it" but just "race" it) like LFP does for his first race bike build. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, tricking out a race bike or doing a long-haul trailer trip on a unique design probably demands a week or two or three leeway for mods & re-dodos. :P [At least I can't run on 24/7 fumes anymore... but it sure is hell is fun reading all the live updates & excitement of the immediate adventure & creation in the moment... :lol: Not say'n it's destined for failure as in LFP taking 3rd place!!! :wink: 8) :twisted: BUT, LFP burned his candles at all ends to barely get 'there' & 'do' it. The awesome luxury of youth and boundless energy.]

I'm being a smart-ass :mrgreen: & realistic :P , I guess, but I was reading your thread from start to finish believing I was 2 weeks behind your start & would see lots of road trip pics by now. Bummer to find it stalled out by the unforeseen need for shakedown pre-trip. :oops:

Now, you're at that 1-2-3 week shakedown phase, but no time appears to have been allotted for it. I'm really not bitching but I do believe you have to be prepared like your boyscout motto says, otherwise be prepared for the inevitable delays for "the shakedown" for actual road worthiness.

Hope you find a happy solution that works. Hasn't anyone else on ES done some long-haul trailer trips w/posts? If you got the $$$ maybe you could just copycat 'that' & go with something known to work from another *already* completed shakedown road trip?
llile wrote:When I built the first one-wheel trailer, I loaded it up with camping gear for a shakedown cruise, and it scared the bejeebers out of me going down a big hill. Wobbling back and forth out of control. I reinforced some key parts of it with some triangulation and some more rigid steel and the wobbling stopped. Grab the trailer in your hands and try to bend it at various weak points. Can you make it deflect, even a tiny amount? Say by twisting the parts that connect to the bike frame? That deflection can add up and feedback into a major fishtail under heavy loads. :shock:

Can you mod your trailer to take-out the twisting? Install a light weight base/bottom with cross support or use 90 degree angle around the perimeter, attach rib(s)/bars at the mid points on each side, or at both front & end, and triangulate that up in height for vertical no-twist "stiffness" attaching to the frame "center-rib", clamp/epoxy or weld it, and then have the rigidity transferring the twisting forces into the trailer frame & base preventing that "rope twist" motion? Or, steal from the Bob-trailer design adding that vertical tri-structural component. You can even tension cables & triangulate that too saving space & weight. Or, is the rear suspension on the bike itself the devil in the details; maybe too much play in the attachment hardware allowing for that "rope twist"? Hey, I'm shooting in the dark blind here. :?

Anyway, best of luck to you... & I look forward to your solution & adventure... 8) :D
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