A Summary Letter for the ES Community

[methods]

I will check the logs and see who edited your posts. Do you have a time/date?
As far as the misquote above - I remember when that was written and it definitely was not you.

I dont even like the idea of deleting posts (though some times it has to happen) but if someone actually modified your posts then that is not ok. I will take action.

-methods

[methods]

The moderator logs do not show that anyone edited any of your posts.

The last person to edit one of your posts was me and it was on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:27 pm
I remember doing it too - we were on the phone when I did it.

Only one of your posts has been modified since July and that one was deleted. Looks like you need to look elsewhere

-methods

EDIT: Here is the original quote that Luke was misquoted on

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=30741&p=445316&hilit=And+of+course+Methods+certainly+deserves+great+praise.#p445316

EDIT: WTF LUKE? You have posted from over 613 different IP addresses ..... how the hell did you manage that? I think we found our BF

-methods

[liveforphysics]

613 unique IP address? That must be 1 per new ladies house I visit.

Is this over a multi-year period?

[spinningmagnets]

Jeremy! I am pleased that you are back posting here. I want you to do all of the things you love, and I am grateful for any time you can squeeze in here. IMHO, your feelings on intellectual property of ES posts hold more weight than most, because you are one of those who have personally provided free and detailed information on much-needed products for the E-bike community.

Your "simple E-bike fuel guage" could have been packaged by you as a loose-parts kit with soldering instructions, and they would have sold well at $30, yet you handed it over to everyone on the proverbial silver platter. Thank you.

[amberwolf]

Very good to see Jeremy back!

613 unique IP address?
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Is this over a multi-year period?

It doesn't show the dates, unfortunately, nor which IP address is associated with which post(s).

I wish it did, as that could be useful information tracking spammers, etc., or patterns of them, perhaps. Mostly though, it's unneeded info, and probably why it's not in there.

FWIW, I have a complete copy of the original open-letter thread, saved as it was ongoing as often as I could check it, and also saved multiple times per page as new posts were added, if you want a copy of the HTML part it's less than 1MB zipped. Unfortunately I *don't* have a copy of *this* thread, as I didn't think it would need saving, not expecting anyone to be going around changing anything at that point.

Also: I suspect that most of the unique IPs are from posting using your phone(s), as you've posted about doing that a fair bit; seems a common thing to get a different IP each connection, possibly even changing during the connection if you are online long enough.

[rkosiorek]

Thank You Justin.

Thanks to Methods and Ypedal for their negotiations.

I appreciate that this site will remain commercial free except for the "Buy and Sell" forums.

I was beginning to think i may have to find a new home. but it is good to know that this safe haven (relatively speaking) for ideas and information is still here. This is the next best thing to a GNU style GPL for EV and Ebike ideas. Like most contributors, if i want to keep ideas secret, i don't post them. If i do post them, they are free for anyone to use, at no charge, except to give the original author some credit. we all have diverse talents and all have something to contribute. it would be nice to gather some recognition occasionally.

rick

[deVries]

My Bad. Somehow I got you in there instead of quoting Joseph C.

And of course Methods certainly deserves great praise. Even if he is a lunatic.

This is a mis-quote, I never wrote that.

[deVries]

(I was pro-deleting posts right up to the moment Justin bought the board, not just to the point they started negotiations.)

Does this mean a lot of your tech posts are erased from ES now?

If yes, can these be reposted & recovered

[johnrobholmes]

He never hit the self destruct button, but he among other members were ready to prevent the their content from being commercialized!


I'm glad we have a member group that saw it coming before it happened, I'm still ashamed that I didn't see the writing on the wall until it was almost too late. As I will be for years to come. Live and learn!

[Blueshift]

Firstly, I want to extend My thanks to Justin. Even though I am a total newb to the site, I have already learned a lot in the past few months from this place. While I have not put in as much time as many(nearly everyone) in the community I still consider this forum important to me. And as far as I know Justin's intervention is a Good Thing.

That being said I am a skeptic and would like to ask a few questions. I should note that I am not an expert on the subject of computers and don't mean to offend anyone.

1. With such an Investment, it is hard to believe that someone would give up so easily. What if this is a staged transfer of Power to lower your defenses then implement some type of stealthier way to gain revenue? (which may be objectionable and disregard certain privacy issues).

2. Ad Revenue is not the only method of revenue that may be objectionable. As far as i know Companies and third parties pay to "data mine" websites so someone correct me if i am wrong, but isn't information a hot commodity in the recent years on the internet? Of course, at the same time being considered unethical in its many uses and the way that information is obtained. So what if the website were to take your words, your ideas, or (not sure about this) your blueprints and use that unethically? Maybe it could be used for advertising or... is it possible that someone could even patent something using the information in this site? (not just in the forums but even from a private message someone might send.)

Those two things I am not sure have already mentioned.. and I apologize if I overlooked someone who has already mentioned this or if My understanding is not correct.

With this stuff in Mind Should there be a redefined tos, and privacy statement?
I say these things out of curiosity and concern.

P.S. Facebook and Google come to mind

[oldpiper]

[speaking of earning revenue] is it possible that someone could even patent something using the information in this site? (not just in the forums but even from a private message someone might send.)

IANAL, but if you have seen it here and it works (is not just an "it would be really neat if..." post), then it is in the public domain because this forum is unrestricted for reading, therefore it cannot be patented except by the person who posted it or the original inventor (who would have to supply documentation that s/he did it before it became public knowledge).

Cameron

[number1cruncher]

[speaking of earning revenue] is it possible that someone could even patent something using the information in this site? (not just in the forums but even from a private message someone might send.)

IANAL, but if you have seen it here and it works (is not just an "it would be really neat if..." post), then it is in the public domain because this forum is unrestricted for reading, therefore it cannot be patented except by the person who posted it or the original inventor (who would have to supply documentation that s/he did it before it became public knowledge).

Cameron

They are soon changing the patent laws in the US to be first to submit is the winner. No longer will there be the burden of proof that someone created something first, what a headache. This will extremely speed up the innovations of this country, since litigation will be cut short.

[liveforphysics]

Nope. More patents will only mean more corruption, more lawyers getting a payday and more lawyers being created looking for new arteries to vampire dry.

[ambroseliao]

If you want a good primer on the dysfunctional patent system we have now as well as how some are profiting from it and stifling innovation, listen to the following program. It's an hour long but well worth it!

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... nts-attack

Ambrose

[number1cruncher]

Nope. More patents will only mean more corruption, more lawyers getting a payday and more lawyers being created looking for new arteries to vampire dry.

That may be so, but I trust my grandfather's wisdom more than anyone on this board. He was a electrical engineer, patent attorney and patent judge, who spent many years at the PTO. He always advocated for a first to file system, because it would reduce bureaucracy and increase innovation. God rest his soul!

[Arlo1]

Patents are designed to make people money! China will just knock off your idea and you will get nothing the only one who wins are the lawers and People who charge you for the papework for the patent. We are heading into a new world with the electric revalution and ES is about pushing for it! It may take some years to get there but it will be worth it!

[methods]

Nope. More patents will only mean more corruption, more lawyers getting a payday and more lawyers being created looking for new arteries to vampire dry.

That may be so, but I trust my grandfather's wisdom more than anyone on this board. He was a electrical engineer, patent attorney and patent judge, who spent many years at the PTO. He always advocated for a first to file system, because it would reduce bureaucracy and increase innovation. God rest his soul!

Right - your grandfather is a smart man because he is one of the lawyers making money off of inventors patents. I would trust his wisdom too.

-methods

[ptd]

lawyers. bloodsucking, paper shufflin, button pushin, wealth redistributin, POS's. shakespeare had it right, kill'em all. and as a nice side benefit, we might get rid of all the beaurocrats as well. probably all of the lobbyists too. go easy on my niece, she just started. maybe we could have a sorta age discrimination thing. longer you been a lawyer, higher on the hit list you are.

ps, if it takes years, it ain't a revolution. it's an adustment period that allows those in power to redistribute their portfolios.

[Tiberius]

I thought we already had a first to file system, at least over here. If there is no public disclosure then it's the date of filing that's important.

When I was employed, many years ago, employers would pick up the tab for a patent application. But working for myself, I soon realised the expense and hassle involved. I had a meeting with a patent agent once, and to be honest, it was exactly like dealing with a lawyer and exactly not like dealing with an engineer.

What I've done instead, quite a few times, is to file an initial application myself. That gives me a breathing space (a year in the UK system) but at the expense of public disclosure, and sets a filing date.

Sometimes the issue when you come up with an idea is just to stop someone else patenting it against you, and to make sure you get the kudos. In that case, publishing the idea is a good route, and that's one of the services that ES can provide. I can just see patent lawyers of the future reading the ES archives - at someone else's expense of course.

Anyway, that's enough of that. I don't think I've said it publicly and formally already, so here goes. Thank you, Justin; well done to the organisers behind the scenes and the agitators. And it's good to see Jeremy back.

Nick

[Arlo1]

.ps, if it takes years, it ain't a revolution. it's an adustment period that allows those in power to redistribute their portfolios.

Well I have been on this forum for over 2 years....... So I guess its all over we should through in the towl

[Sheriff Jon]

As an appreciative member and a very small fish, maybe more like plankton, in the soup of dedicated electrical genius and visionaries, I am grateful that ES is still as it was (an enthusiasts site) and not "monetized" into just another website full of ads for crap that we do NOT want. I would be happy as a member to donate to the cause, when the "ES fund" is set up

[number1cruncher]

Nope. More patents will only mean more corruption, more lawyers getting a payday and more lawyers being created looking for new arteries to vampire dry.

That may be so, but I trust my grandfather's wisdom more than anyone on this board. He was a electrical engineer, patent attorney and patent judge, who spent many years at the PTO. He always advocated for a first to file system, because it would reduce bureaucracy and increase innovation. God rest his soul!

Right - your grandfather is a smart man because he is one of the lawyers making money off of inventors patents. I would trust his wisdom too.

-methods

Methods

There are two type of financial people in this world, generous and greedy. My grandfather was more generous than most people I know. Sort of in the ranks of Justin. My grandfather could have easily made a lot of money from his position, but did not, except for his GOVERNMENT salary and pension. He would get calls daily after retirement asking for him to consult on bahalf of various corps for >$200hr...In the 80's. He declined every time. It would have got in the way of his case of beer a day habit. To his credit, he only drank half of each can, because he despised warm beer. And, this habit did not begin until after retirement. He gave the majority of his money to the church when he died.

BTW - He also worked at White Sands to protect this country, so all you inventors could get scammed by them nasty patent attorney's. If you Google his name Stephen W Capelli and Laser, he was intrigral to the first laser patent. He also judged Univac, the first color televisions, etc...

I guess we could eliminate the patent process and not protect anyone's patents. Let the inventors deal with that detail.

However, if anyone is having trouble with a patent, PM me and I can try to set you up with people inside the machine. I still have a few high up connections in the Chemical and Electrical divisions. Mechanical not so much...but I could try.

I thought we already had a first to file system, at least over here. If there is no public disclosure then it's the date of filing that's important.

When I was employed, many years ago, employers would pick up the tab for a patent application. But working for myself, I soon realised the expense and hassle involved. I had a meeting with a patent agent once, and to be honest, it was exactly like dealing with a lawyer and exactly not like dealing with an engineer.

What I've done instead, quite a few times, is to file an initial application myself. That gives me a breathing space (a year in the UK system) but at the expense of public disclosure, and sets a filing date.

Sometimes the issue when you come up with an idea is just to stop someone else patenting it against you, and to make sure you get the kudos. In that case, publishing the idea is a good route, and that's one of the services that ES can provide. I can just see patent lawyers of the future reading the ES archives - at someone else's expense of course.

Nick

This is another reason the US needs to change its patent process, to align itself with the rest of the world.

[mwkeefer]

Justin, Methods, etc -

As you all know I have been worried for quite some time about the future of ES and am more than glad to see it's looking like were moving toward "member managed and owned" model (my extrapolation from all the various posts on this thread).

I've already privately and publically offered to "pony up" with funding this site and the bandwidth required, offer is still valid.

Finally in preparation for leaving the sinking ship I've registered the following domains which I felt best encompassed the "nature" of Endless-Sphere (more or less) -I would like to now forward these domains to endless-sphere.com since it seems we don't need to depart endless-sphere

everythingev.net
everythingev.org
eveverything.com
eveverything.net

Anything else I can offer (database hosting, backup, mirroring, etc) - you guys know how to reach me

Regards,
Mike Keefer
mwkeefer@gmail.com

PS: Welcome back Jeremy Harris, it's great to have you back among us (and still hopefully enjoying your retirement, premature as it may have been) !

[CX]

thank you Justin

[cell_man]

Thanks Justin,

You are a good guy, I have a lot of respect for you and how you conduct yourself, what you've achieved and how you are continually a positive influence in the Electric Revolution. Next time you are over in Shanghai to visit Mr. Ching, I'd love to meet up with you and shout you a few beers if you have some free time.

Many Thanks
Paul