Hyperion EOS 1420i NET3 14s Balance Charger...

[hillzofvalp]

someone right before you posted a similar issue...

[EBJ]

ok, I know somewhere in this mile-long post is my answer...
but I just spent 30 min looking to no avail.

Question:

When wiring up the balance-wires coming from the Hyperion to go to a DB-25 Connector,
I first just wired my balance wires as if I were plugging in my 2 5S batteries to the hyperion balance port plugs. (one battery to ports 1-6 of 16, then the other battery to ports 9-14 of 16)
It worked well, but I realized after I wired it that way, that when I cycle through the "ports", the Hyperion shows a "blank" voltage for ports 6 and 7...
(because I had skipped over those two and jumped into port 8 to continue w/ wiring the other 5S)

So I have a few questions:

1. What is the best way to wire in 10S to the Hyperion ? (as far as port-use)
2. If I wanted the Hyperion to register 1-10 ports for my 10S pack, then how would I wire in the second 5S balance wires to the Hyperion ?
-examples: first 5s balance wiring is pretty clear... wire "ground", 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... but then the second 5S pack is a little confusing to me since "ground" voltage is actually the same as (port 6 ... or cell "5" voltage)... in which case, do I wire "ground" w/ the second pack to port 6 w/ "cell 5" ? or do I skip it all together and start wiring "6" to port 7 ? Then what do I do with "port 9" when the Hyperion is wanting "ground" of the high-pack to go there ? arg!.

I'm sorry if no one can follow the above. I find it challenging to explain.

[FastDemise]

ok, I know somewhere in this mile-long post is my answer...
but I just spent 30 min looking to no avail.

Question:

When wiring up the balance-wires coming from the Hyperion to go to a DB-25 Connector,
I first just wired my balance wires as if I were plugging in my 2 5S batteries to the hyperion balance port plugs. (one battery to ports 1-6 of 16, then the other battery to ports 9-14 of 16)
It worked well, but I realized after I wired it that way, that when I cycle through the "ports", the Hyperion shows a "blank" voltage for ports 6 and 7...
(because I had skipped over those two and jumped into port 8 to continue w/ wiring the other 5S)

So I have a few questions:

1. What is the best way to wire in 10S to the Hyperion ? (as far as port-use)
2. If I wanted the Hyperion to register 1-10 ports for my 10S pack, then how would I wire in the second 5S balance wires to the Hyperion ?
-examples: first 5s balance wiring is pretty clear... wire "ground", 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... but then the second 5S pack is a little confusing to me since "ground" voltage is actually the same as (port 6 ... or cell "5" voltage)... in which case, do I wire "ground" w/ the second pack to port 6 w/ "cell 5" ? or do I skip it all together and start wiring "6" to port 7 ? Then what do I do with "port 9" when the Hyperion is wanting "ground" of the high-pack to go there ? arg!.

I'm sorry if no one can follow the above. I find it challenging to explain.

Just use 1-6 then 9-14 and it's work out. I've tried just using all 1-11 to try 10s but it freaks out and beeps alot. The charger is happy to charge any number of cells as long as it's in pairs or up to 7s single. Not sure how cells with a odd number of cells aka 13s can be charged and if you can charge it up using the 7s balance connector then the 6s balance would be my guess.

[kfong]

Here is a picture of how I do it. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39291
The last picture shows how it's done. You need to use their battery balance port connectors since it's not a one to one pattern unless you want to rewire.

ok, I know somewhere in this mile-long post is my answer...
but I just spent 30 min looking to no avail.

Question:

When wiring up the balance-wires coming from the Hyperion to go to a DB-25 Connector,
I first just wired my balance wires as if I were plugging in my 2 5S batteries to the hyperion balance port plugs. (one battery to ports 1-6 of 16, then the other battery to ports 9-14 of 16)
It worked well, but I realized after I wired it that way, that when I cycle through the "ports", the Hyperion shows a "blank" voltage for ports 6 and 7...
(because I had skipped over those two and jumped into port 8 to continue w/ wiring the other 5S)

So I have a few questions:

1. What is the best way to wire in 10S to the Hyperion ? (as far as port-use)
2. If I wanted the Hyperion to register 1-10 ports for my 10S pack, then how would I wire in the second 5S balance wires to the Hyperion ?
-examples: first 5s balance wiring is pretty clear... wire "ground", 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... but then the second 5S pack is a little confusing to me since "ground" voltage is actually the same as (port 6 ... or cell "5" voltage)... in which case, do I wire "ground" w/ the second pack to port 6 w/ "cell 5" ? or do I skip it all together and start wiring "6" to port 7 ? Then what do I do with "port 9" when the Hyperion is wanting "ground" of the high-pack to go there ? arg!.

I'm sorry if no one can follow the above. I find it challenging to explain.

[docnjoj]

OK so here is a dummy question. I will have 2 6S lifepo4's A123 in series to make 12 S How should I wire the balance leads so the Hyperion will recognise all of the cells. I would buy Kin's system if I needed it, but how do you plug the 2 6S connectors into Hyperion. Cells 1-6 starting with ground in Port A and cells 7-12/ground in Port B? I'm confused!
otherDoc

Edit: Yes the pack will be a split one with 6S cells on each side of the trike. Much better balance for handling just like my old Ping is doing now.

[wojtek]

OK so here is a dummy question. I will have 2 6S lifepo4's A123 in series to make 12 S How should I wire the balance leads so the Hyperion will recognise all of the cells. I would buy Kin's system if I needed it, but how do you plug the 2 6S connectors into Hyperion. Cells 1-6 starting with ground in Port A and cells 7-12/ground in Port B? I'm confused!
otherDoc

Edit: Yes the pack will be a split one with 6S cells on each side of the trike. Much better balance for handling just like my old Ping is doing now.

yes, you connect 2x6s in series [44v] and the subpack's balance leads with black main charge wire connected to charger goes to port A and red one goes to port B [very important]

[EBJ]

OK so here is a dummy question. I will have 2 6S lifepo4's A123 in series to make 12 S How should I wire the balance leads so the Hyperion will recognise all of the cells. I would buy Kin's system if I needed it, but how do you plug the 2 6S connectors into Hyperion. Cells 1-6 starting with ground in Port A and cells 7-12/ground in Port B? I'm confused!
otherDoc

Edit: Yes the pack will be a split one with 6S cells on each side of the trike. Much better balance for handling just like my old Ping is doing now.

yes, you connect 2x6s in series [44v] and the subpack's balance leads with black main charge wire connected to charger goes to port A and red one goes to port B [very important]

and remember "A" and "B" are not in logical spots... "A" on the right, "B" on the left.

[EBJ]

Here is a picture of how I do it. http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/vi ... 31&t=39291
The last picture shows how it's done. You need to use their battery balance port connectors since it's not a one to one pattern unless you want to rewire.

Thanks for the pic. It seems the way I wired mine to begin with is the way you guys are also wiring it.
I just thought people were wiring differently to eliminate a wire and/or get the Hyperion to register 10S without any "0V" ports between.

[kfong]

Yeah I wanted to eliminate all the wires in between, but when you ohm it out you soon realize they went with an unusual wiring pattern that would make it more trouble to rewire and I still wanted to use their setup from time to time.

[wojtek]

if i connect 2x EOS 1420i to one single 1500w power supply, will it all work fine? thanks

i want to be able to charge my 100v pack as 2x 50v [12s] separately with 2 hyperions and have one 1500w meanwell SPV-1500-24 so i thought it is pretty much enough power for both of them...

[docnjoj]

yes, you connect 2x6s in series [44v] and the subpack's balance leads with black main charge wire connected to charger goes to port A and red one goes to port B [very important]

and remember "A" and "B" are not in logical spots... "A" on the right, "B" on the left.

Um............Black(negative bat terminal) balance wires to port A and Red (positive Batt terminal) balance wires to Port B. Oy! I think I better hold my mouth just right and cross my eyes. If I do it wrong does the smoke come out?
otherDoc

[EBJ]

yes, you connect 2x6s in series [44v] and the subpack's balance leads with black main charge wire connected to charger goes to port A and red one goes to port B [very important]

and remember "A" and "B" are not in logical spots... "A" on the right, "B" on the left.

Um............Black(negative bat terminal) balance wires to port A and Red (positive Batt terminal) balance wires to Port B. Oy! I think I better hold my mouth just right and cross my eyes. If I do it wrong does the smoke come out?
otherDoc

The two are marked A and B underneath where the tabs connect. The tabs are only for the balance wires. There are two larger wires for you to tie in the Positive and Negative main wires from the pack.

It's not very tricky... i'm just making it more confusing by asking all these questions about alternative ways to connect the balance wires. I'm going to just stick with what I know works and stop asking questions. lol

[Sacman]

I've made a custom 3-foot wiring harness to connect my Hyperion 1420i to my 12s4p LiPo pack on my ebike via a single VAL-U-LOCK connector plug. Note that I've labeled the A and B portions of my harness to connect to the respective A and B ports on the 1420i. Also note the RED and BLACK wire positions on the harness. You can use that those RED and BLACK wire positions as a guide so you don't confuse yourself on your wiring.

[rkosiorek]

Here is a simple schematic how to wire up the 12S pack to the PortA abd PortB connectors


1420i-12s Balancer by rick_kosiorek, on Flickr

worked fine for me.

rick

[docnjoj]

Thankyou Rick! That makes sense! My connection between B6 and B7 will be the connection of the two split packs so it will be doubled 12 ga wire and be about 20"long.
otherDoc

[999zip999]

Docnjoj, Are you making a split pack of two 6s one on each side ?

[cwah]

I'm looking for a cheap but quiet power supply.

I've found a 600W pc power supply here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Envizage-600W ... 1979wt_982

Would that work with the hyperion? And how should I reanrrange the output cables to fit the hyperion?

[neptronix]

You'll want 24v and 600w continuous.

+ 12v will not give you the full power ( more like 200-300w ) of the charger.
+ PC power supplies are not rated on their continuous power. They often deliver less than half of what they are rated.

2 x server supplies with their fans tuned down would be good.. and cheap as hell . Can find them for $15-$20 a pop shipped on eBay..



^-- my vid

https://sites.google.com/site/tjinguytech/my-projects/diy-24v-47a

^-- some info on converting these.

[cwah]

I would prefer something simpler to set

Do you think this one would work?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/24V-23A-600W ... 3220wt_922

[neptronix]

Chinese power supply with no brand name or model.
Looks like it might be a distant meanwell ripoff. You get to be the guinea pig and find out if it's gonna blow up on you or not

[docnjoj]

Docnjoj, Are you making a split pack of two 6s one on each side ?

Yes that is how my trike is set up now, and the handling is excellent, If I put a single 12s pack on the rear rack it really handles poorly.
otherDoc

[999zip999]

Triing to fit the 24s on a bike somewhere so I'm going with two 12s. I just order a 24v1000w power supply. So The Hyperion 14s sounds like the best for my needs I'm looking forward to your progess. Docnjoj Have you gotten that Hyperion all plug in and working ?

[cwah]

Chinese power supply with no brand name or model.
Looks like it might be a distant meanwell ripoff. You get to be the guinea pig and find out if it's gonna blow up on you or not

Just purchased 2 for my dual hyperion.

Going to be a guinea pig. Hope it's going to work well.

[docnjoj]

Triing to fit the 24s on a bike somewhere so I'm going with two 12s. I just order a 24v1000w power supply. So The Hyperion 14s sounds like the best for my needs I'm looking forward to your progess. Docnjoj Have you gotten that Hyperion all plug in and working ?

I've played with it a bit but at the moment I dont have any batteries to charge with it that are useful. My pings are both 12S but I need to make a6Sx2 adapter for them. The Fatpacks in // self balance and have no taps on them. I really got it for the A123 20 AH batt I am building. I will start with my 15 volt 24 amp power supply and see what happens. 3-4 amps is fine for me to charge with for36 volts batts. I don need no steenking 24 volt power supplies! ( I hope). I did power it up and went through some of the menus but I am kinda lazy this week!
otherDoc

[999zip999]

I got 1000w 24v that can be 2- 12, 500w. So I have double what every you got 25 cells ect. Great. Sure sounded good. 24s