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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby MN Driver » Wed May 30, 2012 2:57 pm

JRP3 wrote:Looks as if some of the tabs have many small holes punched in them. Wonder what that's all about?


I had my China buddy work out the words left by the seller.
He first said that the seller has no feedback and to be careful.

He says that it describes the negative electrode holes as being a short circuit protection in order to protect the batteries.
He said that there is some information about no returns out of state, he thinks they mean Beijing. Sounds like they don't want to deal with shipping. It goes into a little bit of depth to be careful and understand lithium and suggests getting protection as it doesn't come with it(BMS). For extra money they are willing to rip it apart to ship these cells loose. He says the batteries are soft because they haven't gone through a factory activation charge, so I assume that means they are assembled and then charged and tested(seems weird to me) and they get hard with activation(that's what she said)?

The issue that he told me to be concerned about is that Taobao is mostly an internal China site. They are likely not going to be able to speak English to you and depending on the seller, they might not be willing to ship outside China. Unless you can find someone who is fluent in Chinese, Taobao might be tough.

If this all worked out, I'd take 5 of those because I could use 100 cells.
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Postby totinen » Wed May 30, 2012 3:03 pm

Maybe soft pouches are brand new, hardened pouches are heavily used?
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby mjcrow » Wed May 30, 2012 5:02 pm

MN Driver wrote:
The issue that he told me to be concerned about is that Taobao is mostly an internal China site. They are likely not going to be able to speak English to you and depending on the seller, they might not be willing to ship outside China. Unless you can find someone who is fluent in Chinese, Taobao might be tough.

If this all worked out, I'd take 5 of those because I could use 100 cells.


If you want to buy from Taobao you need to use an agent, there are plenty out there, they usually charge around 8% of cost +shipping+insurance. The item is shipped to the agent (located in China) who then checks the item, repackages it if required and forwards it on to you. I bought my A123s (cut off tabs) off Taobao, I tried about 5 different agents until I found one who would ship batteries (http://www.taobaotrends.com/), overall a good experience with these guys.

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Postby MrJoshua » Wed May 30, 2012 6:17 pm

Does anyone have a contact in China who can get this modules in the same place Victpower gets them? I am sure people would be willing to pay more for a module that tests good before shipping.
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby JRP3 » Wed May 30, 2012 6:49 pm

MN Driver wrote:
He says the batteries are soft because they haven't gone through a factory activation charge, so I assume that means they are assembled and then charged and tested(seems weird to me) and they get hard with activation(that's what she said)?

I would be surprised if the cells weren't charged first as a test before being welded into a pack, seems like that would be the time to catch a problem. Of course A123 missed a bunch of problems, so who knows, but I doubt they would assemble untested cells that had never been charged with a forming charge.
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Postby 999zip999 » Wed May 30, 2012 9:48 pm

Their are not going to sell you the one that burn down the Volt. That's priceless.
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Postby MN Driver » Wed May 30, 2012 10:08 pm

999zip999 wrote:Their are not going to sell you the one that burn down the Volt. That's priceless.


Uhh, A123 never burned down a Volt, ever. That would be misinformation, which has already been corrected, except for the one quote of someone that was removed that contained a video of the Volt which had user added text that was false information.

It's similar to the misinformation about these cells having 20Ah, they don't and if you bank on the capacity of your pack having 20Ah, you might end up a little sore for range.
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Postby 999zip999 » Thu May 31, 2012 12:28 am

Thanks
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Postby 999zip999 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:00 am

That's a good fine. I think two 12s is a better fit for my bike as the size of that is a box. The size of these cells make a challenge to fit on a bike.
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Postby totinen » Thu May 31, 2012 12:37 pm



I put it on shopping cart and got result:
60V 20Ah battery price $415.65 /piece
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby cwah » Thu May 31, 2012 1:37 pm

mjcrow wrote:
MN Driver wrote:
The issue that he told me to be concerned about is that Taobao is mostly an internal China site. They are likely not going to be able to speak English to you and depending on the seller, they might not be willing to ship outside China. Unless you can find someone who is fluent in Chinese, Taobao might be tough.

If this all worked out, I'd take 5 of those because I could use 100 cells.


If you want to buy from Taobao you need to use an agent, there are plenty out there, they usually charge around 8% of cost +shipping+insurance. The item is shipped to the agent (located in China) who then checks the item, repackages it if required and forwards it on to you. I bought my A123s (cut off tabs) off Taobao, I tried about 5 different agents until I found one who would ship batteries (http://www.taobaotrends.com/), overall a good experience with these guys.

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So if I want to buy a 72V20AH A123, which seller would you recommend?
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby mjcrow » Thu May 31, 2012 5:20 pm

cwah wrote:
So if I want to buy a 72V20AH A123, which seller would you recommend?


Just like ebay, they have a feedback system, check how many sales they have, and you can read peoples comments if you paste them into google translate http://translate.google.com.au/?hl=en&tab=wT#zh-CN|en| (which works best if you copy and paste the text rather than translating the whole page). Your Taobao agent can ask questions of the seller on your behalf, part of the service.

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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby whatever » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:15 am

I think the best way to buy via taobao is to get someone in china to do it, get them to phone and ask the questions first and let them organise payment etc. Alternatively wait till someone you know goes to china.
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby MrJoshua » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:50 am

Taobao has some very interesting but confusing listings for modules.

For example "Package mail-the original A 123 -level cell 72V20 AH electric " for $920.81 per lot listing that turns into $2.74 a piece. Pictures show mostly a 28s3p module with one showing a 7s3p module.
http://www.englishtaobao.com/Product/14 ... batteries/

I am very interested in a source outside of Victpower. Would one of the agents listed earlier be willing to voltage test modules before shipping them? Is that the type of thing they do? How would that work if the module failed, is the guarantee pretty much up to the individual seller or standardized for all Taobao vendors?
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby mjcrow » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:12 am

MrJoshua wrote:Taobao has some very interesting but confusing listings for modules.

For example "Package mail-the original A 123 -level cell 72V20 AH electric " for $920.81 per lot listing that turns into $2.74 a piece. Pictures show mostly a 28s3p module with one showing a 7s3p module.
http://www.englishtaobao.com/Product/14 ... batteries/

I am very interested in a source outside of Victpower. Would one of the agents listed earlier be willing to voltage test modules before shipping them? Is that the type of thing they do? How would that work if the module failed, is the guarantee pretty much up to the individual seller or standardized for all Taobao vendors?


Don't trust the englishtaobao site for price, if you look at the sellers actual Taobao sitehttp://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14898273535 you will see the price is 4220.00yuan (US$662.98) then you would have shipping to the agent, then shipping and insurance to you. As to checking voltage etc, that would be up to you to negotiate with your agent, mine sent me pics before they packaged and shipped them to me so I could make sure I was getting what I paid for.

Maybe any of the people who have received their cells from victpower may have the pick-up address on their paperwork, showing where their packages originated, did they originate from Victpower or are they drop shipping from the "recycler" company. That information could be useful....

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Postby MrJoshua » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:01 am

The Victpower modules are shipping from somewhere other than the sales persons location. They are at the "Factory" in Shenzen.
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Postby MN Driver » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:24 am

MrJoshua wrote:The Victpower modules are shipping from somewhere other than the sales persons location. They are at the "Factory" in Shenzen.

You'd swear these were all made in ChinUSorea.
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby MrJoshua » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:31 am

mjcrow wrote:
MrJoshua wrote:Taobao has some very interesting but confusing listings for modules.

For example "Package mail-the original A 123 -level cell 72V20 AH electric " for $920.81 per lot listing that turns into $2.74 a piece. Pictures show mostly a 28s3p module with one showing a 7s3p module.
http://www.englishtaobao.com/Product/14 ... batteries/

I am very interested in a source outside of Victpower. Would one of the agents listed earlier be willing to voltage test modules before shipping them? Is that the type of thing they do? How would that work if the module failed, is the guarantee pretty much up to the individual seller or standardized for all Taobao vendors?


Don't trust the englishtaobao site for price, if you look at the sellers actual Taobao sitehttp://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14898273535 you will see the price is 4220.00yuan (US$662.98) then you would have shipping to the agent, then shipping and insurance to you. As to checking voltage etc, that would be up to you to negotiate with your agent, mine sent me pics before they packaged and shipped them to me so I could make sure I was getting what I paid for.

Maybe any of the people who have received their cells from victpower may have the pick-up address on their paperwork, showing where their packages originated, did they originate from Victpower or are they drop shipping from the "recycler" company. That information could be useful....

Michael


Mike,
I am curious as to what would happen if the module were indeed defective and that was discovered by the agent by a simple voltage check. My experience with Victpower is that they could send you poop in a box and the only way you would ever get even a partial resolution is to buy more stuff from them,.
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Postby totinen » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:52 am

mjcrow wrote:Don't trust the englishtaobao site for price

There is a middleman in englishtaobao. Maybe it could act as agent?
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby mjcrow » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:59 pm

MrJoshua wrote:Mike,
I am curious as to what would happen if the module were indeed defective and that was discovered by the agent by a simple voltage check. My experience with Victpower is that they could send you poop in a box and the only way you would ever get even a partial resolution is to buy more stuff from them,.


I am not sure but it is probably dependent on whether the seller has the items in stock or is drop shipping, if they have the items in stock, then as far as they know they are selling to another Chinese person, so probably in their best interest to ship something that works, of course there are no guarantees with these things. My suggestion is to contact a few taobao agents and ask them these questions directly.

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Postby totinen » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:39 pm

Yes, englishtabaos shopping cart has helpdesk saying:
You just have to choose the item you want and the payment. We will offer the item you need and send it to you after we check the quality of the goods.

http://www.tbcart.com/Help/aboutservice
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Postby deVries » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:32 pm

Did anyone ever attempt to cut a cell out from "between" the welded tab??? :twisted:

Sutho???

Anyone???
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Re: Group Buy? Dr.Bass Steveo found 7s3p Module! Awesome Pri

Postby mjcrow » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:08 am

I found this taobao site selling a few different configurations I hadn't seen before, as well as the ones we've been seeing at victpower.

Some of the pictures show the batteries pretty banged up.

Interesting picture here (note the reject stickers) Image

3S2P US$59.40 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.156&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=18362676955&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=

22S2P US$435.45 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.109&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=14912173959&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=

4S3P US$118.92 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18320688543

7S5P US$346.38 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.172&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=16259171551&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=

6S13P US$771.94 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.176&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=14906878555&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=

28S3P US$831.32 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14912345215

7S3P US$207.83 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14906314608

These prices do not include shipping, and you would of course need an agent to organize it for you.
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Postby MrJoshua » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:42 am

Interesting. I hadn't seen the picture with all the different modules together.

I haven't had any luck getting an agent to reply to email. Any suggestions?
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