New electric mountain bike frame by Phasor Cycles

[Deutch420]

http://www.primo-powder.com/pdf/durable.pdf
http://www.primo-powder.com/pdf/cardinal.pdf
http://www.primo-powder.com/pdf/ral-colors.pdf

Those are the color charts David gave to me.

those style charts are not the best way to pick your color. Colors will vary depending on the monitors screen settings. Im just going to find the color code. im sure his guy either has or can get the color once i give him the #.

[Rodney64]

Deutch the 3 speed switch you were talking about are you making it yourself or did you buy it.

[korpin]

hey by Deutch420,are you gonna have any air cooling on that 10,500 watts?....wow the bomber is only 4500 watts on the specs,but I do not know the true voltage times amps on the bomber do you?

not sure about the 8 gauge wire but according to the electricians chart,if you are intermimittent rating of maxinum 2 minutes then its fine but 6 would be needed for a longer duration of 80 amps and over 115 volts for over 2 minutes but its close

and any idea on what kinda weight you will be at?

[Dudeofdoom]

one of those white frames is probably mines..HPC doing electronics around 100 volts 4500-5000 watts with boxxer world cup forks using the newest lightest batteries

Thought I found out who had the 2nd frame , but after going back and reviewing your just repeating yourself NBD Id be doing the same if I was getting one so soon.

Can not wait for the reviews.

Frame stalker

I'm pretty sure I know who got #1

[Deutch420]

Deutch the 3 speed switch you were talking about are you making it yourself or did you buy it.

I purchased it from Lyen with my controller. Over 2000 miles on it switching between 40% 99.9% and 120% with zero issues of any kind so far.

hey by Deutch420,are you gonna have any air cooling on that 10,500 watts?....wow the bomber is only 4500 watts on the specs,but I do not know the true voltage times amps on the bomber do you?

not sure about the 8 gauge wire but according to the electricians chart,if you are intermimittent rating of maxinum 2 minutes then its fine but 6 would be needed for a longer duration of 80 amps and over 115 volts for over 2 minutes but its close

and any idea on what kinda weight you will be at?

Yes, i plan to have air cooling. For the Phasor i plan to use the 5403 from the group buy. Its huge. Just some holes drilled in the side covers should be more than enough. In fact, i have about 2000 miles on my current setup, (18fet lyen @ 80amps 5304 STOCK 100v 24s4p) without any issues at all, so far. My GM at 5kw melted 2 phase wires together, but the 5304 has had no issues. Yes, i am now, and will be, over double the power of a bomber. But you must realize that just b/c i have the power doesnt mean you always use it. I use 10kw for maybe 1-3 minute intervals. I assume if i was to blast around at 10kw for longer periods than that, other components would be an issue well before the wire would. I dont think stealth has the luxury to tell the consumer they cant use the bike to its full potential for over 3 minutes blah blah.... They must limit the power as to avoid noobs overheating things, so it has its tradeoffs.

In regards to weight. My Kona weighs 38lbs stock. I use 24x of the 4S hardecase packs and the 5304 and my bike weighs 95lbs (including some mud). So im assuming between the hub, battery pack, wires, controller, gps, CA etc.... i should expect 50-55lbs worth of crap getting added the the Phasor. I think David already said how much everything weighs, however i have no idea how much just my frame weighs, so this is the best comparison i could do.

[korpin]

DAVID PIERCE told me the bare phasor frame/swingarm is about 15 pounds

another thing....I have seen quite a few u tube videos where guys are using high wattage and getting 58 to 60 MPH something but the bomber is getting 48-50 MPH at half the wattage some of these guys are using which makes me think stealth is lowballing the power specs or the efficiency is dropping off a cliff,i am guesings from heat but i am not an expert...on the link below,they say

Max current of 65 A (source).

Min (cut-off) voltage of 72 V (source).



http://www.expandingknowledge.com/Jerom ... r/Main.htm

[korpin]

anybody gonna use the greyborg hubzilla motor on this set up?

[Dudeofdoom]

I'm going for a mac 7t as I have few hills and actually do like pedalling, I also like big Wide tyres and good handling so really my setups more biased towards assistance to keep me at a reasonable pace 20mph.

I did think about a hubzilla but i didn't think it would go down well doing 30-40mph on a cycle path where I've already been moaned at whilst pedalling at 30mph on a windcheetah recumbent.

I've got some of the 3inch rims and they are seriously wide(and heavy)

[Hyena]

I have seen quite a few u tube videos where guys are using high wattage and getting 58 to 60 MPH something but the bomber is getting 48-50 MPH at half the wattage some of these guys are using which makes me think stealth is lowballing the power specs

It's pointless comparing the power or speed to a stealth bomber. This is just a bare frame that looks like a bomber. Sure, compare the weight and handling but as far as power and speed goes it may as well be a shopping trolly or pair of roller skates.

Power and speed comes from the battery, controller and the type of motor (size and winding) - so bolt on what ever suits your needs.

[korpin]

Hyena...I do not think you understood my post regarding the stealth....it had NOTHING do do with the phasor frame....what I am saying is guys are using comparable motors to the stealth and running crazy voltages and amps up to 10,500 watts buy NOT getting much more speed...which makes me think these motors designed for bicycle type frames can only produce so much before they start converting the excess energy to heat....looks like even with the biggest BICYCLE hub motors,efficiency starts to drop off a cliff over 5000-6000 volts as regards wattage to speed from what I have seen so far....I think 4500-5000 watts with a hubzilla or stealth type motor and 100 volts and a great controller and 45-55 mph and 75-85 pounds and 10-20 amp hours is about as good as it gets for now unless you want a one mile dragster.....or a heavier motorcycle type bike...this is all based on what I see on the internet...I am waiting for my first bike

[Deutch420]

I have seen quite a few u tube videos where guys are using high wattage and getting 58 to 60 MPH something but the bomber is getting 48-50 MPH at half the wattage some of these guys are using which makes me think stealth is lowballing the power specs

It's pointless comparing the power or speed to a stealth bomber. This is just a bare frame that looks like a bomber. Sure, compare the weight and handling but as far as power and speed goes it may as well be a shopping trolly or pair of roller skates.

Power and speed comes from the battery, controller and the type of motor (size and winding) - so bolt on what ever suits your needs.

agreed.

Hyena...I do not think you understood my post regarding the stealth....it had NOTHING do do with the phasor frame....what I am saying is guys are using comparable motors to the stealth and running crazy voltages and amps up to 10,500 watts buy NOT getting much more speed...which makes me think these motors designed for bicycle type frames can only produce so much before they start converting the excess energy to heat....looks like even with the biggest BICYCLE hub motors,efficiency starts to drop off a cliff over 5000-6000 volts as regards wattage to speed from what I have seen so far....I think 4500-5000 watts with a hubzilla or stealth type motor and 100 volts and a great controller and 45-55 mph and 75-85 pounds and 10-20 amp hours is about as good as it gets for now unless you want a one mile dragster.....or a heavier motorcycle type bike...this is all based on what I see on the internet...I am waiting for my first bike

Korpin, keep in mind watts = amps x volts. Just because you know the watts, doesnt mean you know how they reached that number. 4000watts could be 100v 40amps, 72v 55amps, or even 48v 80amps. All of which would result in a drastically different top speed, wile maintaining the same watts. for the most part, your top speed is determined by volts. Amps is acceleration. So when you see a 100v 40amp (4000watt) bike and a 100v100amp (10,000watt) bike compaired; even though they will have close to the same top speed, the 10,000watt bike would destroy the 4,000watt bike in a race from 0-50mph . Similarly, if you had a 100v 50amp bike vs an identical 50v 100amp bike, the 100v50amp bike would have a much higher top speed, even though they are both 5Kw. Yes you are right, in that eventually you will hit a point of diminishing returns, where it will just create heat. This point will depend on the hub. Smaller hubs like the Magic pie, GM, BMC's etc... will not be happy over 4000watts (+-). Where as the larger hubs like the CroMotor, 540x 530x can take upwards of 10,000watts before issues. (This is provided you dont want to run full throttle for long periods of time, otherwise either of these hubs will burn up eventually. also, these figures are based off of a 100v setup. less volts = more amps = more heat.) . On my 5304 and 5403 i notice a HUGE difference between 100amps and 40amps. I tried to remember it with Voltage = Velocity. Amps = Acceleration. Hope this helps clear up your confusion.

[Kepler]

Stock Bomber runs a 5402 motor with a 65A limit and around 75V under load so we talking closer to 5000W. On a 24" rim, the bike does 50mph without a problem but it does need to wind out.

My Bomber has a 5405 motor on 125V hot off the charger, about 115V under hard load and 100A current limit. Also good for around 50mph but gets there like a train

Love the Phasor by the way.

[korpin]

well from all these posts,I think around 100 volts and 50 amps and 15 ah will give me what I want in speed,range,and weight using some of the newer lightweight batteries that I have heard are almost up to the recharge cycles of the heavier batteries....I figure I am giving up the gearbox and 2" of rear travel for somewhere around 30 pounds less weight and maybe with good componets a little more range than stealth...would like buy a bomber and compare it side by side to my phasor....maybe if my stock portfolio takes off I will buy a bomber too.....these bikes ain't cheap!

[korpin]

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speaking of gearboxes,honda came out with a fantastic bicycle frame/gearbox combination but mysteriously detroyed most of them (photo) I saw one frame for sale but the gearbox was absent

[Chalo]

speaking of gearboxes,honda came out with a fantastic bicycle frame/gearbox combination but mysteriously detroyed most of them (photo) I saw one frame for sale but the gearbox was absent

Here are some existing specimens of bottom bracket transmissions.

SR Suntour makes one.

Greyborg built a bike with it.

But it looks like you don't have to.

Chalo

[Rodney64]

With my phasor set up I'm going with a 24s lipo setup 100.8 volt hot of charge and a 45 amp controller.

[korpin]

that greyborg custom is sweet......does anybody offer motors with liquid cooling?....heat seems to be the gremlin in these high powered bikes....

[nicobie]

Anyone know if they are accepting deposits yet?

[Deutch420]

Anyone know if they are accepting deposits yet?

They have been taking deposits for over 6 months now. There are at least 8 of them accounted for already. Mine is about to hit the powder coater!!

[nicobie]

Anyone know if they are accepting deposits yet?

They have been taking deposits for over 6 months now. There are at least 8 of them accounted for already. Mine is about to hit the powder coater!!

AMAZING!

I have tried to get in touch with them for at least 4 months now.

Left another (hopefully not futile) email 4 hours ago.

It seem's that a simple reply from them might get Phasor another $ grand from me into their bank. I think that maybe this joint can't keep up with their orders. No problem to just order a Grayborg or for that matter, a Stealth fighter, might be the same price as building out one of Phasor's frames.

I am tired of waiting.

Nick

I'm thinking it might be easier (but maybe not better ) to just make it my damn frame.

[SweKen]

Got a reply from them with in like 24h.
If there was 8 accounted for, then theres 9 now.
Now i just need to sell my motorcycle so that i can afford everything else for my ebike build, once i know what to buy, and where to buy it, im a noob at this, at this stage.

[ohzee]

welcome SweKen. before long we should see some builds from these you have showed up at a good time.

[SweKen]

welcome SweKen. before long we should see some builds from these you have showed up at a good time.

I really hope so, because i have a really hard time coming up with what motor to use. Im an "old" dirtbike rider so i wont settle with commuter style kind of performance, but then again i really like the freewheeling of the geard motors, but they probably wont be as reliable as one would hope for. Im constantly torn between motor drag and performance with a high voltage setting vs freewheeling with good torque at much lower voltage setting but maybe not that reliable when pushed with hard abuse. The range is there in most setups since the frame allow massive battery packs, because i would hate to run out of juice. B-)

[Dudeofdoom]

Well....

Heres one I made earlier....

(and I couldn't decide on the colour so went with the green of the prototype)

DoD

[Deutch420]

Well....

Heres one I made earlier....

(and I couldn't decide on the colour so went with the green of the prototype)

DoD

Niiice!!! I can't wait for mine!!