Help me write the ES wiki

[mrvass]

Sorry for the delay guys, I've never set up a wiki so this is a fun but time consuming experience. Because of upload dangers on an anonymous wiki, I'm setting it up to authenticate against this forum so only ES users can edit (then the dangers are just the same as those regarding forum attachments). Still a bit of testing to do (i.e. Justin cannot log in, but many others can!), but should be ready to be announced in a bit!

[el_walto]

Since most of the attachments are pictures files, you could limit attachments to picture files only for the time being.

[hjns]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum and new to E-vehicles. That makes me one of the target audiences, right?

So, I just wanted to give my 0.02 here. In my view, there are 2, maybe 3 kinds of people that may use the Wiki, and the Wiki probably needs address their needs accordingly.

The people categories:

• Noobs (like me) - with the assumption that they know nothing about E-vehicles and/or nothing about electronics and/or nothing about bike/vehicle mechanics and look for information on all of this (i.e., what is an E-bike, what different motors, what do I need). However, some noobs have a tendency to grow more experienced (hopefully me as well) and will need more detailed knowledge over time.
• Experienced users - with the assumption that they already have built one or more bikes, and are looking for very specific information probably posted by other experienced users (e.g., are there better fets out there than the currently used IRF4110, and do I need it for my 3kV 75kW electric single person airplane)
• Others, aka sellers / buyers / People who want to read other diaries or built threads / whatever. I think this is out of scope for a Wiki.

Now, from a Wiki structural perspective, this may translate into the following main structures, and this closely follows stingray17's design as well:

• A General Introduction for noobs, with direct links to basic descriptions of the most relevant information.
• A Hierarchical E-vehicle (aka functional) knowledge repository (the "real" Wiki), that goes from very high level (different kinds of E-vehicles,), going to intermediate level (different kinds of controllers), going into the nitty gritty details (creating lite BMS for a 12S Lipo pack, or replacing a LVC resistor with an adjustable pot on a specific controller). Several people already provided this overview.
• A Technical Foundation (aka physical) repository with explanations and links to the electrical/chemical/physical properties of the raw materials/components that are being used.
• A FAQ, that crosslinks through all of the above, including the forum. And it will probably turn out that the FAQ will actually follow the structure for noobs and for experienced users. This closely resembles Joseph C's list

Aligning this with the current forum assumes that the knowledge in the above described structures can either be found in the forum or can be added as new information. Therefore, I think the format of the Wiki-articles should allow both.

• If information is already completely available on the forum, a Wiki page could just contain a clear description of the issue and some direct links to the specific forum posts where the information can be found.
• If information is partially available on the forum, a new Wiki article should have appropriate references to the previously posted information on the forum.
• and if it is completely new information (rarely), a new Wiki article is ok.

Now, there are many ways to build the Wiki, and no single one is the best. I think that we may find out that a parallel strategy will turn out the best:

• First agree on a general structure
• Then have some people work on key articles, locking down other key articles that really need to be produced by experts
• And let the rest of the Wiki grow organically

[The Mighty Volt]

I have been trying to think of a contribution, but I can't.

Whatever else the Wiki does, it should not try to replace or substitute the ES itself. That would be impossible in any case.

There isn't a single thing we deal with here which probably hasn't been dealt with already in some way shape or form on another Wiki page, eg motors, mosfets, 3-phase, etc.

I really would like to make a contribution but I can't think of any way we can get an ES page to sit neatly in between this website itself, on one hand, and the myriad other wiki-topics on the other.

[theRealFury]

Any news on this Wiki yet? How's it coming along MrVas?

[Dlogic]

This is a wonderful idea. Even though this might be a little off topic, I'd add a newbie buildup. In other words a simple to follow detailed instruction on how to build a basic e-bike. There's a lot of information here, but I still haven't come across something that'll get those new to the subject set up and running fast. Or correct me if I'm wrong, cause maybe there's something like this here all ready.

All the technical theorie is necessary, but to enjoy what e-biking is all about this might scare most amateurs off if things get to hard to grasp. I'm no pro either, at least when it comes to the electric stuff, so a quick and easy instructable would spread the revolution even faster. Somewhat like a virus, only in this case not a threat.

[f2s]

I've added a basic layout, please feel free to write and expand on the current pages ...
Motivation for me doing this is that it's just such a pain to get a general overview of components for building a DIY bike by trawling through the forum for answers.

Link is:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/w

Can I ask the admin's of endless-sphere, please for the name of all that is good, can you make sure this site is backed up on a daily basis and is tested thoroughly before this starts taking off. Nothing worse than loosing wiki data

[www.recumbents.com]

Looks like it all works. I added a tutorial section and I added some content to:

http://www.endless-sphere.com/w/index.p ... ttery_Pack

This is a good page to use to learn wiki formatting code: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting

-Warren.

[GCinDC]

I've added a basic layout, please feel free to write and expand on the current pages ...
Motivation for me doing this is that it's just such a pain to get a general overview of components for building a DIY bike by trawling through the forum for answers.

Link is:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/w

Can I ask the admin's of endless-sphere, please for the name of all that is good, can you make sure this site is backed up on a daily basis and is tested thoroughly before this starts taking off. Nothing worse than loosing wiki data

So the wiki has been up for a while but not much seems to be going on with it.

What'll it take to get people motivated, organized, and writing/editing?

Should we break up into teams? Recruit volunteers?

I've just been thinking about going to 20" or 24" fat rims, and lord knows there's a ton of info on ES about them in everyone's threads, but it'll take a lot of research... whereas if brands/sizes/specs etc were on the wiki....

and then spoke info...

[Farfle]

added some info on the X5 series, thanks docbass for inductance and resistance testing.

[Teh Stork]

There seems to be some kind of coding problem in the login section. My username contains "white signs" and it seems to try "Teh" as a username, instead of the whole "Teh Stork". An easy fix would be to rewrite the user-name. Changing it to getline with a predifined length f-ex.

I'm studying controll methods and inverter schemes now, adding to the wiki would help me learn - and in turn, others

[el_walto]

I also can not login to the wiki. Probalby because my username has an "_" in it.

[amberwolf]

I forwarded the problems with login to MRVass.

[ls7corvete]

What'll it take to get people motivated, organized, and writing/editing?

Should we break up into teams? Recruit volunteers?

I've just been thinking about going to 20" or 24" fat rims, and lord knows there's a ton of info on ES about them in everyone's threads, but it'll take a lot of research... whereas if brands/sizes/specs etc were on the wiki....

and then spoke info...

I think importing the information that is on ES regarding product specs and different standards will go a long way towards getting the ball rolling. So much of what is on the forums is related to this kinda thing. Maybe start with building blank sub-groups of different components.

[SamSpeed]

Ok, I'll help. It's a great idea! I've built 2 bikes and could not have done without ES. But it might have been a good deal easier to have a more concise resource, like a wiki.

Just made two edits tonite. I've done a bit of work with Wikipedia so this is real familiar. To anyone wishing to learn editing basics, go here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Conte ... _Wikipedia -- but take it with a grain of salt. Some things will be Wikipedia specific.

And look at existing articles to get a feel. Heck, edit them if you feel inclined. And remember nothing can be done that can't be undone. Like Jimmy Wales says, "Be bold! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold_in_updating_pages"

[dogman]

Finally dragged my sorry ass over there and filled a few easy gaps. Good work those of you who already wrote up the most asked stuff already.

Definitely about time to put it on the top of the main menu page for the noobs to find easy. Now we can keep some stuff updated with edits rather than linking to yet another thread discussing basic lipo care.

Some stuff will just keep evolving too fast to keep up with, but a how to find the dead cell in a lifepo4 bike battery wiki will save all of us tons of time.

[leffex]

http://www.endless-sphere.com/w/index.php/Connectors

added

[amberwolf]

More reference material (mostly links to ES posts/threads) has been added recently, to be used as "boilerplate" when answering questions, to save time and frustration, as well as prevent so much duplication of effort and posting.

[hillyterrain]

I myself am guilty of asking questions to which I could have most likely found the answer in the wiki .. Is the wiki obviously linked somewhere? Maybe the gigantic endless sphere logo at he enter page should have a gigantic link to the wiki saying, read first, ask later? I literally just found the wiki by manually typing www.endless-sphere.com/w in the url bar after remembering seeing a sublink to some wiki page, but maybe it's just me and the wiki is obviously linked somewhere?

[z50king]

I can write anything about gopeds if you want me to. I know a lot about the history and current models of electric gopeds. I also know a lot about the aftermarket parts, because they're many!! Haha

Let me know how I can help

[marcexec]

I can write anything about gopeds if you want me to. I know a lot about the history and current models of electric gopeds. I also know a lot about the aftermarket parts, because they're many!! Haha

Let me know how I can help

I'll take you up on that. I just had to google goped and it seems I would call them "Razor-type scooters" .
Maybe we should start with definitions. You're welcome to PM me.