Sacman wrote: Dee Jay wrote:
Sacman wrote:So you eventually gonna put a motor on the PCB or keep it a push bike? Where's the old 408?
2) Some people already know how I feel about "torque arms".. hate em.. especially on the fork, hub motors are dangerous on the fork even with torque arms IMO, it's why I wanted a chain drive, not the 408.
Oh too bad... I have a front 408 hubmotor (that I don't know I'm going to do with) and was I was going to donate it to you for the PCB. I made the switch over to geared hubmotors about 3 years ago on my 3rd ebike build and have never looked back to DD hubmotors. They're smaller, lighter and have way more torque than DD's, and I luv that they freewheel allowing you to pedal without all the drag that DD's have.
Dee Jay wrote:...my biggest gripe about these hub kits is you have to fab your own torque arms. fck-tht-sht. These hub motors have to be redesigned to eliminate the need for torque arms.
I myself don't have any problems with hubmotors. I've always understood most bike frames have dropouts that were never really designed to handle high axle torque generated by hubmotors to begin with. So I have no problems with beefing up the frames by having to custom fab a torque arm. It's waaaaay easier and lot less hassle than trying to figure out the complicated gearing, multiple chains and sprockets, or trying to fab custom brackets (that required much more critical alignment) when making a mid-drive or RC setup.
Good of you to think of me, six-million-dollar-thanks! (Inflation you know...)
Don't get me wrong, I love the hub motor idea. I can see a future when hubmotor wheels are the norm. And I appreciate what entrepreneurs have done so far, but we can't stagnate, we gotta keep developing and innovating, see past the investments and ROI, and find the faults and improve on them. Phase out the old and phase in the new and improved. Not just hub motors, but also forks or even the whole frame. It's why I love the Giant Revive and Bike E. and that guy who built the roller suit. The problem with entrepreneurs is they can't see past the dollar signs in their eyes and see what this world needs and offering them. It's "Me First". Not to mention the people who overstocked with too many hubs. they get all up in arms with their degrees and paycheck stubs when people like me have an opinion, No thinking allowed here.. they're also too busy and too much to protect to see the future.
And this obsession with speed goes nowhere and fast. Take that balancing scooter for example. Not fast. Not powerful. But is it Useful? Hell yes.
And if it isn't being done already, I can also see a future with made-to-order business. Custom Made products. Just answer the questionnaire and specs and get a one-off product at reasonable prices. Reasonable Prices.. a snowballs' chance in hell....
I read an article long ago about how companies like Nike was gonna start this. We have the technology to do this now.
"we have teh Technology" - Oscar Goldman
Hey, remember when The Six Million Dollar Man was made in the 70's? Imagine the kind of technologies $6M can buy in those days...