System (U, Motor, Controller) Efficiency

[Bike_on]

1. 20 whr/mi
2. 24-25mph
3. mixed grades, 1300 ft gain.
4. moderate-hard
5. Optibike 850
6. Motorized bottom bracket
7. Optibike proprietary
8. 36V, 20 ahr LiCo

Stats
Giant Lite Optibike Optibike Optibike
2007 2008 2009 2010
Total Bike Miles 3231.8 4016.0 3661.8 4975.2
Total Bike Hours 197.0 185.3 159.7 233.8
Total Average 16.4 21.7 22.9 21.3

Commute miles 2398.5 3087.7 3452.65 4510.0
Commute Hours 139.4 134.2 147.33 198.4
Commute Average 17.2 23.0 23.4 22.7

Total Commute Days 87.0 88.0 92.0 115.0
Estimated Working Days 235.0 230.0 230.0 230.0
% Commuted 37.0% 38.3% 40.0% 50.0%
% bike miles for Commute 74.2% 76.9% 94.3% 90.6%

Equivalent FULL Commutes of 42+ miles 45 59 75.75 100
Equivalent commute rides of 21+ miles 90 118 151.5 200
Actual commute rides of 21+ miles 48 98 130 172
Actual commute rides of 15+ miles 5 4 4 0
Actual commute rides of 10+ miles 42 24 33 55
Actual commute rides of 5+ miles 68 20 8 2

Number of weeks of 100+ miles 14 19 16 37
Number of weeks of 200+ miles 0 5 2 0

Savings: per round trip $22.3 $21.4 $21.3 $21.3
Total Savings $1,001 $1,261 $1,613 $2,130

[FFR Trikes]

1. 20.6 wh/mi
2. 30.5 mph average speed on a 16 mile ride
3. rolling with some moderate hills in western North Carolina
4. Medium-heavy
5. KMX Tornado
6. Astro 3220
7. CC HV160
8. 44.4V 25 Ah LiPo

This was on my personal FFR Transition One.

Upgrades: Schlumpf HSD, 6T Astro 3220, prototype tailfairing

The tailfairing made a pretty significant difference. I do almost all of my riding at full throttle, which is 31-32 mph. Typically I see efficiencies around 25 wh/mile. The tailfairing dropped that number to 20 wh/mile on it's first run. We'll be doing more development with carbon tail fairings in the future.


-Tommy

[Skippic]

Very interesting stuff. Maybe we could do another thread setting as many parameters as we can, so as to restrict the number of variables.

For example:
Constant speed
No wind
No hills
No pedaling

1. Instant watts used at 10, 15, 20... [mph]
2. Bike Type (roadster, MTB, trike, others)
3. Motor Model
4. Controller Model
5. Battery (Voltage/Capacity)

I understand this is only for people with a CA or a watt meter, but it would provide a way to compare the efficiency of different setups.

[veloman]

1. Efficiency: 10-13 wh/mile
2. Speed: 15-18mph depending on grade, usually at 17.5mph on the flats
3. Gradient: 0-12%, varies much, but if hilly I pedal a LOT more, so it evens out.
4. Pedaling effort: moderate on hills and starts, none on flats
5. Bike Type: Mongoose Sycamore rigid mtn bike
6. Motor: cellman's MXUS 250w geared hub
7. Controller: 13.6amp peak 36v
8. Battery: 36v 11ah lifepo4 pouch (don't know name)

I've had as low as 6 wh/mile when pedaling about 50% of the time and nearly flat conditions. I think that was my first ride on it and I babied it since it was wet out. 12 wh/miles seems to be the standard. I use to get 16wh/mile on a completely different setup, 450w unite driving the cranks with barely any pressure on the pedals, averaging 22mph.

[GaryJS]

Time for me to clock in with my values from my first clocked ride

1. Efficiency: 11.16 wh/mile
2. Speed: average 16.3mph
3. Gradient: -14 to +13%
4. Pedaling effort: low to moderate (mixed)
5. Bike Type: Raleigh Mountain bike
6. Motor: vpower 24v 250w motor (unsure who actually makes it or real rating? - see pics in build thread)
7. Controller: Vpower 24v 250w controller (unsure who actually makes it or real rating? - see pics in build thread)
8. Battery: 36v 12ah SLA

Build thread: http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30405&p=439497#p439497
Route: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=211150202879810676935.0004ad6e4540615caefe0 (had to stop a couple of times for my lycra clad friend to catch up

[Hugues]

my turn


1. Efficiency (Watts/mile) = 47 (that figure seems to be on the high side compared to other posts, )
2. Speed (mph ) = 16
3. Gradient (%) = 10
4. Pedaling effort light
5. Bike Type MTB
6. Motor Model Crystalyte HT (something)
7. Controller Model Infineon 40A
8. Battery 72 V 10 ah

[Danos]

Numbers from my short (4.7km) commute to work. Short steep climb then descent with some flat. Mostly WOT with moderate pedaling.

1. Efficiency (Wh/km) = 18
2. Speed (kph) = max 52kph
3. Gradient (%) = up to 10%
4. Pedaling effort: moderate
5. Bike Type: MTB hardtail Trek 4100
6. Motor Model: Mac 500w rear
7. Controller Model: Infineon 30A
8. Battery: A123 16s4p 58V 9.2ah

[LI-ghtcycle]

Just wanted to move some Efficiency info from my earlier build thread here:

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25082&hilit=mid+drive&start=45

And here is a basic thumbnail of the info:

Distance: 8 miles

Average slope: 3 - 12%

Watt Hours Per Mile: 10.75 (86 WH's for 8 Mi. )

Amped Bikes 9 x 7 DD rear hub motor used as mid-drive, using 1/8th bicycle chain from motor to NuVinci rear hub with a 3 to 1 single stage reduction (13T to 27T, using track a cog on hub motor and sprocket from Staton Inc.) with an effective gearing range for 7 to 30 MPH.

And now my latest build, I have done a longer trip to include the same hill with the exception of the few blocks of 10+ % grade hill (my gearing is too tall, have to wait to get proper gearing to get the full potential of this new motor) and using even less Wh/Mi.

Here are the stats:

Distance: 42 miles

Average slope 3 - 10%

Watt Hours Per Mile: 8.7

(This second test was on a day with virtually no wind, at at about 56F temperature)

[cwah]

I don't have a cycle analyst. But I manage to do that:
Max distance: 18 miles total distance on throttle only (mainly flat road)
Max speed: 23mph (but most of the time I'm between 15 and 23 mph)
Average: 14 mph.
Battery: 36V10A Li(NiCoMn)O2

Is it good efficiency?

[gartmu]

1. Efficiency (13Wh/mile)
2. Speed (16mph )
3. Gradient (total climb: 582 meters vertical; total descend: 597 meters vertical)
4. Pedaling effort (none)
5. Bike Type (MTB)
6. Motor Model (Bafang BPM 48V500W Code12)
7. Controller Model (KU123 500W 12Mosfets 48V 28A)
8. Battery (Headway 48V 9AH)

My bike weights 25kg and I weight 83Kg. My height is 1,82 meters.

[GaryJS]

Just a little update now that I'm running on Lipo:

1. Efficiency: 10.5 wh/mile
2. Speed: average 24mph
3. Gradient: -14 to +13%
4. Pedaling effort: moderate - high (mixed)
5. Bike Type: Raleigh Mountain bike
6. Motor: vpower 24v 250w motor (unsure who actually makes it or real rating? - see pics in build thread)
7. Controller: Vpower 24v 250w controller (unsure who actually makes it or real rating? - see pics in build thread - clearly OK at 49V 20A)
8. Battery: 12s2p (49Vish)

Build thread: http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/vi ... 97#p439497

[leffex]

1. Efficiency: 23 wh/mile (estimate at 26km ride usage of 8ah, calculated uphill for 5km, 2km flat, downhill 3km, 2km flat, 1km uphill, x2)
2. Speed: average 24mph
3. Gradient: -10 + 10 I guess (22mph uphill, 26mph flat, 32mph downhill, )
4. Pedaling effort: moderate-high
5. Bike Type: Mountain bike 26", 1,5" tyres
6. Motor: tongde 5kg rear hub DD
7. Controller: sensorless 48v 25a
8. Battery: licomn 48v 10ah using 8ah

[SoSauty]

Set up for Enduro time trial:
Baby BaFang8fun
20A Lyen mini-monster controller
18Ahr 12S/45V Lipo
.710W for 70mile or 10.25Watt/per/mile
average 17mph until the last 12miles
(dang my feet and nuts were numb)

Set up for Adams Kart racing June16th:
9 Continential 24" wheels
30A Lyen mini-monster controller
8Ahr 20S/74V Lipo
50 Watt/per/mile
17 to 33mph racing
(dang it felt fast)

[AFT]

Our best ever efficiency run was done on 14/1/13 with our all new EMAX upgrade kit.

Distance 18.4km, All test were done at 17 AMPs current limited and FUll throttle for consistency, and 3 tests done in each group to get an average.

Mid level peddling
Efficiency: 20.55 wh/mile ( 12.8 wh/km)
2. Speed: average 21mph (34.7km/hr), Max speed 57.8 kmh
3. Mostly flat but some sections Gradient: -10 + 10
4. Pedaling effort: mid level peddling
5. Bike Type: Mountain bike 26", 1,75" tyres
6. Motor: AFT custom EMAX mid drive 36v 960w, run at 33v a123
7.Total bike weight 37 kgs
8. Battery: a123 26650, 10 series 33volts

No peddling same track
Efficiency: 21.52 wh/mile ( 13.4 wh/km)
2. Speed: average 20.1mph (32.35km/hr), Max speed 50 kmh
3. Mostly flat but some sections Gradient: -10 + 10
4. Pedaling effort: GHOST peddling
5. Bike Type: Mountain bike 26", 1,75" tyres
6. Motor: AFT custom EMAX mid drive 36v 960w, run at 33v a123
7.Total bike weight 37 kgs
8. Battery: a123 26650, 10 series 33volts


22/8/12 Baseline stock setup without EMAX upgrades
No peddling same track
Efficiency: 22.29 wh/mile ( 13.8 wh/km)
2. Speed: average 15.71mph (25.29kmh), Max speed 49.9 kmh
3. Mostly flat but some sections Gradient: -10 + 10
4. Pedaling effort: GHOST peddling
5. Bike Type: Mountain bike 26", 1,75" tyres
6. Motor: AFT custom EMAX mid drive 36v 960w, run at 33v a123
7.Total bike weight 37 kgs
8. Battery: a123 26650, 10 series 33volts