Doc's ULTIMATE TORQUE ARMS fit most of the frame UPDATE 2013

[migueralliart]

But please at least doublecheck that you provide us your adress if you want us ( methods and me) to ship you something [/b]

Doc

I provided the address to both ... nevermind now. All is good - refunded.

[Doctorbass]

But please at least doublecheck that you provide us your adress if you want us ( methods and me) to ship you something [/b]

Doc

I provided the address to both ... nevermind now. All is good - refunded.

I sent twice them a set of T-A to your verified adress on paypal and you said you never received them.

I COPY the exact adress paypal have or the adress you provide and PASTE it on the label of the enveloppe containing the T-A so this is impossible that the adress is wrong unless the one people or paypal provide me is wrong.

I have issue a refund ( Date : 28 mar 2012 Hour: 12:05:56 PDT ) due to too much complication sending from Canada to your adress. This is sad but this is teh most profitable way now for us.

I have sent you T-A the exact same way as i sent dozens of T-A from now and that was received fine..

Anyway.. problem solved, no more time to loose with that for both of us.

I have lost two T-A set due to mailing service and you got refunded

Doc

[Spacey]

Just for the record I got mine in UK and love them, so easy to install.

[migueralliart]

Just for the record I got mine in UK and love them, so easy to install.

I agree I got nothing against the T-A I know they are of excellent quality and would've loved to get em but the paypal transaction was getting near the 45 day limit so I had to act I couldn't wait another week. I even have the 3m epoxy that I order originally.

KUDOS to doctorbass cause I know it wasn't his fault and his T-A kick @ss.

[hjns]

For the record, mine arrived safe and sound in Switzerland. Very happy, but still need to install them.
They look and feel awesome!

[Doctorbass]

Thanks for the feedback guys

I still have couple left from the last batch that are ready to go for those who are interested in a super strong dropout for super powerfull hub motor

Doc

[Doctorbass]

4 more T-A set ready to ship tomorrow

Doc

[cwah]

Doc, could you remove my full name or address from the picture on public forum please?

Thanks a lot.

[Doctorbass]

Doc, could you remove my full name or address from the picture on public forum please?

Thanks a lot.

Done

[cwah]

thanks doc. Sorry to be a bit anal about privacy

[auraslip]

I'm concerned that my dropouts won't be strong enough. With the torque arms installed I'm worried that the welds connecting the drop outs to the chain stays will fail.



Can anyone tell me if this is likely to happen at 10kw? This is a air hardened tool steel frame. It's light, and I'm thinking maybe doc's torque plates will work. But I'm also thinking the dropouts will just rip out of the bike!

[neptronix]

That is rather thick for steel.
Personally it doesn't freak me out. Stronger looking design than most.

Then again, for 10kW i would say definitely get a dual suspension frame.

[auraslip]

Then again, for 10kW i would say definitely get a dual suspension frame.

So I can only carry enough batteries for a 15 minute ride? Sorry, but this bike isn't going to be a toy recreational vehicle

[neptronix]

Then again, for 10kW i would say definitely get a dual suspension frame.

So I can only carry enough batteries for a 15 minute ride? Sorry, but this bike isn't going to be a toy recreational vehicle

Front fork mount ( oatnet style ) and rear rack ( seatpost, but reinforced ) and 2.5kWh of battery is how my Genesis V2100 is gonna roll. And the NEXT wal-mart bike will prolly have ammo cans welded to the sides so that it can carry 16 5AH packs.

A triangle is a great place to mount batteries but i'm done with hardtails.

Back on topic - i ordered some of these. They will be surrogate dropouts for a custom welded up swingarm. These will save me $$ over having dropouts being precisely cut out, and a derailleur hanger installed.. thanks docbass for making these available

[teklektik]

Doc - TA's arrived yesterday.
Scary strong!
Many thanks!!!

[RMJ]

Pm sent.

[wojtek]

any suggestions which chain tensioner should work with the torque arm and single speed freewheel on xlyte 54xx on KMX Cobra please??

as the position of the mount for the tensioner is different than originally when screwed to the dropouts

[Doctorbass]

Pm sent.

Torque arm sent

Doc

[auraslip]

Got mine today. Nice and beefy. Heavy too.

[auraslip]

Shoot. I just realized that the new version I have aren't the same as these:


The inside lips curve. I don't know if I'm going to be able to tap them out like in the picture above.

Which sucks because they have way too much play for me to feel safe using them. The drop outs themselves are hard, but the axle is soft steel and won't take kindly to rocking back and forward with regen and acceleration. Possibly it the dropouts may eventually dig into the axle itself.

Doc, if you won't make clamping drop outs, will you at least make them like this:

and out of softer steel that is easier to tap out?

[auraslip]

Actually, just make the bottom part square so it's easier to drill.

[Doctorbass]

Actually, just make the bottom part square so it's easier to drill.

Yeah probably that the next gen will have that.

About the slit, it might be a little more complicated because if using the T-A stock as is and without adding the screw, that slit would definitively weaken the torque arm

And if i would make them with the screw just as you shown but without the 1/8 plate, the labor to make that for evrery set would just discurage me from offering them

I would need to charge like 50 or 55$ per set for the extra time for doing them.

I will never offer SOFT material for the torque arms.

Actually, my giant is using the second gen of T-A and i'm using regen alot and alot of power ( 20kW+ on the actuyal 5305) and the axel is still perfect shape and the torque arm too... no mark, no sing of weakened area, just still perfect flatness as they should be.

Doc

[auraslip]

I understand that you don't want to compromise the performance of your torque arms for a handful of people that want the best, safest, and easiest to use option. As for me, I have a serious nut allergy. Also, there is quite a bit of play, they're definitely not "tap on." This may have more to do with crystalytes QC than yours.

anyways, I'm well on my way, and will post a guide on how to make these torque arms clamping on my website and on here when I'm done.

that metal is hard though. broke the t-handle on my tap and then my tap. Believe me doc, when they're clamping they don't have to be too hard. you could make them out of aluminum and they'd hold up just as well as they are now. Also, if they were just a bit longer it would help for clearance issues. Especially with the new cro motor having a 16mm axle.

[oatnet]

I understand that you don't want to compromise the performance of your torque arms for a handful of people that want the best, safest, and easiest to use option.

Auraslip, why don't you back up your OPINION by releasing your own version, you might find there is a big gap between working a solution and producing/distributing it for a wide range of users. For example, if your dropouts are epoxyed onto aluminum dropouts, won't the clamping action commit the big no-no of flexing aluminum dropouts?

Another option would be to taking it up with Doc offline. You have already expressed your OPINION on other threads (where it was also suggested you release your own), I don't know it is appropriate on someone else's for-sale thread. Doc has the right to make them however he feels they are safest. I imagine there are a lot of people who will be frustrated with you if you harass Doc into thinking that making them is more hassle than its worth. Talk is cheap, production is hard.

-JD

[wojtek]

JD +1

Auraslip, you could also help those who need custom made dropouts, as Doc is unable to provide them ..