Crystalyte 5404 / 5403 UPGRADED! LAST CALL

[ryan]

Sweet. I'm in for at least one. Maybe two if we need it.

[Doctorbass]

Ahh.. Look who just showed up - Black Arrow himself!

Always clutching his little fist and helplessly barking at Stealth's success. I was expecting you'd show up sing us a song. Aren't you the one to set Doc against Stealth? How's that for a theory?

Well buddy, bad news - this is sales thread, so piss off. You're welcome to start your own one in toxic discussions. There you can brag all about how you could make one for less with better handling and other bs. Oh, and if you dare why don't you also talk about Justin and the CycleAnalyst. After all that is another hardworking guy who built up a successful product made of $30 worth of parts.

What a frustrate man you are, I'm happy for Stealth Success I just like to remember with my post that John was as newbie like you and me before the first Bomber was made with many prototype's builds in that period of times .... and nothing else

Black Arrow

BlackArrow, when Low-throttle blow a fuse about something, just dont pay attention.. his reflections usually dissipate over the time

[Deutch420]

Is there any way we can post up how close we are to the MOQ? I'm sure there are a few people here (including myself) that would bump their order up from 1 to 2 if the MOQ was close.

[Evoforce]

Happy days are here again! Well that is if for some (reason) we don't get switched again. I would like to know the running numbers also. Have two on order, may up it. Kinda disgusted that the required order numbers now have been upped from 30 to 50. When is this game going to end Thanks for working hard on this guys to hopefully, finally, make this happen. I am concerned about what changes are being made to this motor for propriatary reasons. Kenny better not make this a lessor motor in any way. Well, on the surface anyway, it seems to be somewhat better news. Let's fill this order fellow e-bikers. You think that I got enough e-motions into this post.

[sn0wchyld]

so are we getting a 5400 now, or something 'really close' since it appears stealth has the rights to the 54s? i gotta say im still jaded on this whole deal, kinda as someone said earlier 'like rewarding a dog for biting you'... kenny says

'yea i can, but you need to order 30 to make it worth my wile'
then
'no you cant, have this other one instead'
then
'yes you can, but only if your order MORE'

the last one kinda reminds me of being back in primary school when kids who realises after you say 'yes' to a deal that he could have gotten more out of you, so he then trys to change the deal after its been done... not so bad when your 9 trading marbles etc, when your an adult running a business its pretty sad.

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...... I am concerned about what changes are being made to this motor for propriatary reasons.....

exactly, what guarantees do we have that kenny wont jus't make some crap 'close' to the 5400? ive lost all confidence in kenny atm...

[Evoforce]

+++++++++1

[Hyena]

Interesting, folks were wondering about that... I wonder what he will change to make our motors different from the ones Stealth uses. I guess this means K knew about the proprietary restriction when he started talking to woj/max/hyena about selling them the 54xx.

I don't think it's just stealth that use these, there's atleast 1 large e-scooter company in china that also uses them and possibly more. Given there are literally millions of ebikes and escooters in china I'd say these companies would be the much bigger consumers of these motors. For scooter use the added weight isn't such an issue and I believe they were designed for these all along. Thats why they come with 150mm axles originally as that is the ebike standard in china.

The motor Kenny makes us WILL be the 5400 - just with our specified changes - ie better bearings, halls and phase wires. This is the 5400 "remade" and thus a different enough motor from the 5400s that other people have proprietry rights to Atleast that was my understanding. Kenny has been made quite aware of the fact that we wanted the original 5400 with it's original characteristics and this is what he's making us.

As for the numbers, he wanted 50 all along but he agreed to 30 at the time. Now it's back to 50 and he seems to be sticking to his guns. Maybe he's not as hard up for work now ? I know methods has mentioned before that when he's "hungry" he's more likely to deal and when big orders come in they take priority over the little fish.

Anyway, as Max has already stated, we're back on so lets get our numbers back up! If those who I refunded want back we'd more than welcome it!

[Hobbit]

One word describes how I'm feeling right now....

MUHAHAHAHAHA

If things go well financially between now and Nov. 10 i'll get a second one....I know my buddies are going to take this for a spin and ask me where can they get one? I'm sure this'll end up a rare collectors item regardless. I'll PM you Hyena if I get there.

[scriewy]

Some 1 should tell the italian forum about this buy. there's a reason he bumped it to 50, and a reason he looked how to bypass the rights obsticle.

some of the analogys used on kenny are not precise.

floont come back, what happened is not what you think, there are stuff behind the scence.

at this point guys if i were you i'd set my happy at 65%, double the pride double the fall.

good aspect to post totaled orders, it's incoureging.

[megacycle]

The motor Kenny makes us WILL be the 5400 - just with our specified changes - ie better bearings, halls and phase wires. This is the 5400 "remade" and thus a different enough motor from the 5400s that other people have proprietry rights to Atleast that was my understanding.

Put in the internal centrifugal fan, air inlets can't says its theirs then, would be spekky.
The bomber would bomb .

As for the numbers, he wanted 50 all along but he agreed to 30 at the time. Now it's back to 50 and he seems to be sticking to his guns. Maybe he's not as hard up for work now ? I know methods has mentioned before that when he's "hungry" he's more likely to deal and when big orders come in they take priority over the little fish !

Makes the spidy sense tingle truth brother.

Anyway, as Max has already stated, we're back on so lets get our numbers back up! If those who I refunded want back we'd more than welcome it!

To good

[fractal]

Hi guys, I was in this deal from the very beginning but I bailed out as soon as I saw the weight of the motor, a lot heavier than my HS!!!. I would just like to know how much stress a motor like this puts on a wheel with regular spokes. I'm currently working on a DH bike, wich is pretty solid, but finding heavy gauge spokes is another thing. Sure, I can get somebody like JRH build it, but what about servicing it? I just cant see myself shipping the wheel back and forth for maintenance, truing and repairs Any opinions?

[ryan]

I'm ordering an extra set of spokes to help out here. You can do truing on your own. Just get a spoke wrench and watch a YouTube video. I built my first wheel that way with a 5305 and took it to a local wheel builder to fine tune. He said it was as perfect as you could expect. That was my first try, and I'm no mechanic or hardware guy. Get the motor built into a rim the first go around (saves you time), and buy an extra set of spokes if you're worried about some future breaks. Then buy a spoke wrench and fine tune yourself. It's really not rocket science.

Hi guys, I was in this deal from the very beginning but I bailed out as soon as I saw the weight of the motor, a lot heavier than my HS!!!. I would just like to know how much stress a motor like this puts on a wheel with regular spokes. I'm currently working on a DH bike, wich is pretty solid, but finding heavy gauge spokes is another thing. Sure, I can get somebody like JRH build it, but what about servicing it? I just cant see myself shipping the wheel back and forth for maintenance, truing and repairs Any opinions?

[wojtek]

that is why i saved 30 EUR!

Building a wheel from scratch cost here 50EUR but fine tuning 20EUR. SO i just put the spokes in, and laced more or less so that they were all in one place and went for fine tuning

[scriewy]

If this is originaly 150mm axle, maybe they dont mind keeping the length and just lathe in between dropouts the fat part of the axle to fit 135mm, and if users want to move to 150mm frame just add spacers as i noted this befor.
it's ok for the mechanics if they start with 150mm, and not a problem to cut the extra with 3$ metal hand saw who minds the extra 1cm on each side.

any idea if he'l have replacement parts ? Cos if this is a 1 time run it's good to stock up (though hard to believe he'l run this beast once), i'm still interested in spare rotor cos im not worried abaut the axle nor stator.
if he will stock replacements then no biggy at the moment.

dont be alarmed by this, the rotor is fine, i want a spare for cnvenience reasons of swapping stator into different wheel sizes 26'-20' in 30 minuts.

[Tincan]

Bloody hell!

What an emotional rollercoaster!

I have been away for about a month and started reading the thread from where i left off at oct 2 after paying Hyena and my heart sunk.

But now i am filled with joy

Come on guys, those who pulled out, get back on.

Good work Hyena and co for sticking by us all!

PS - I'm going out on a limb here and guessing we wont have these before xmas?

[sn0wchyld]

....

PS - I'm going out on a limb here and guessing we wont have these before xmas?

2012??

[megacycle]

I want my motor and i want it now or i'll

[Floont]

...floont come back, what happened is not what you think, there are stuff behind the scence...

I'm back as of Nov. 7.

[deepfraught]

Pending reply for which of the two to suit advice from Hyena, I'm keen to be a newbie to jump in on one of these.

[Floont]

OK, so what exactly is it we are getting as of the time of this post? Hate for the thread to be repetitious, but I think it's a good idea for someone (Hyena) to state exactly and succinctly what is being supplied with this purchase including the upgrades.

Thanks.

[Hyena]

We're getting the same as we originally set out to get - the upgraded 5400 motor with better halls, phase wires and bearings (you'll have to check back through the thread for the exact specs - I'm pretty sure it was 11ga phase wires, NSK bearings and high temp honeywell halls)

I think we're very close to meeting the MOQ. I think Wojtek lost alot of his buyers so I'm not sure what's happening from the Europe side of things but I still have a good number that are keen and Max does too. In 5 days this order will be finalised so on the 10th we either have enough numbers to proceed or we'll have to give it a miss. We're still waiting to hear back from people to see where we stand with numbers. Kenny said production would take 20 days and then it's another ~6 weeks to get them to us by sea. So we're probably looking at a delivery date in mid January. Originally we were planning to get them just before christmas but that's gone out the window now with all the recent dramas.

[amberwolf]

As a thought, perhaps ask Justin or other ebike dealers if any of them are interested a few, so that they can have some for those special customers they get now and then?

[sabb]

So just how close are we to the MOQ
a count would be usefull so we could plan how to make sure we finish this

Stephen

[Evoforce]

Yes, I would like to know also because I might buy a third.

[scriewy]

Unbelievable europeans bailing out, what are you doing guys, this can't get any better, next time you'l want this motor it's starting price will be 600$ and then shipping.

bailing out of technical reasons is ok, but cos of principle of the way this turned to soap opera, not good idea.

the 5400 model is rare and finding 3 4 winding on the market even rarer, you might as well engrave "ES edition" on them, they're like 404 405 models, you have to pay twice the price IF you find them.

dont be distracted by greyborg motor, they are different, but good to have both of them in your collection not choose only 1 of them, and looks like there'l be more greyborgs soon, 5400 though unknown !

gotta pull this through guys.

if i'd had any assets i'd get 20 of these, and if i'd had more then 100 motors, 30 fast 70 slower cos there are more relaxed people in the world, but what is 100 motors when there milions of crazy people that'l gladly ride this motor.