Crystalyte 5404 / 5403 UPGRADED! LAST CALL

[methods]

You guys should appreciate the work wojtek put in for you here. It is hard to line up a deal like this

Good job!

-methods

[ZOMGVTEK]

I absolutely want at least one of these motors. At $300 shipped, I probably will need 3. I don't know if I can convince my two e-bike friends to get rid of the GM if they're $400, and $500 will not happen.
The lowest speed sensored motor available please. I'd prefer if the bike only did 50, which is hard to do when you run 36S.

I'm interested in getting one for myself, so long as shipping is <$100.

[chroot]

Alright, I support Methods comment and I'll go for +2 motors 5403 and 5404. When is the deadline pay front so I can get enough funds by first week of September.

You guys should appreciate the work wojtek put in for you here. It is hard to line up a deal like this

Good job!

-methods

[markcycle]

I also want to agree with Methods. Being I also have a conflict of interest I refrained from saying anything. The value in buying from Methods or Justin is they take the grief when things go bad, and they do. For instance I got a batch of motors and when I say a batch I mean a container of motor in which the wrong epoxy was used EnerTrac reglued all the magnets in the complete shipment and it turns out I wasn't the only vendor who got burned with bad epoxy.

Just saying the saving seems great but so is the risks

[Gordo]

Don't you love it when the vendor's answer is "We will take YOUR problem up with the manufacturer".

Do I understand the numbers? The motor is $290 and the shipping is estimated to be $130, Total $420, plus second shipping?

[methods]

I am personally in debt thousands of dollars over an entire container that was screwed up as well.
I know a vendor who has had to make multiple trips to China to get manufacturers to actually deliver on very high dollar orders

Shit really does happen. The risk is VERY real.

The prices on ebikes.ca are a little higher and there is a very good reason. Justin has probably eaten more dead batteries, fubar controllers, and problem motors than you would ever believe. Tens of thousands of dollars. The customer support is very expensive as well.

Risk must be calculated into the equation... It took me a long time to learn that. I certainly have "paid for my education".

-methods

[Doctorbass]

I agree with all teh risk..

but is that risk higher from the order of the store or seller we already got our motor from??

because if it's the same risk i guess it's not too bad... otherwise store like grind technology , etc would have all canceled their motor order...

Method, your point and experience is really important to us so we should listen your advice as well.

Do you think that larger order make Kenny thinking to supply us better quality?.. i mean an order of 100 motor have more chance to be well made.. than if we order like 30$

Doc

[Philistine]

Kenny did agree to ship those motors door to doors to each person separately [i have it confirmed by email]

Sorry to hassle you Wojtek, but do you know if he would ship to Australia, or only US and Europe?

[wojtek]

awaiting Kenny response...

Kenny did agree to ship those motors door to doors to each person separately [i have it confirmed by email]

Sorry to hassle you Wojtek, but do you know if he would ship to Australia, or only US and Europe?

[Philistine]

awaiting Kenny response...



Philistine wrote:

Kenny did agree to ship those motors door to doors to each person separately [i have it confirmed by email]



Sorry to hassle you Wojtek, but do you know if he would ship to Australia, or only US and Europe?

Thanks mate, if he comes back with a yes, I think there will be a few more buyers in Australia other than me who will also be keen

[Pedrohlt]

What will be the shipping price to Brazil? And what's the 5403 and 5404's kVs?

[wojtek]

regarding Methods posts here, this is how i see it

- if you are ES trusted seller / vendor: here is the opportunity for you to offer 54xx series to your customers at a fair price.
- if you are end-customer: you have a choice:
1. Either buy it at higher price from one of our great ES members and get after sales service, support and warranty.
2. Or buy it directly from Crystalyte at lower price but with risk that if something happens to your motor, you will have to deal with Crystalyte in China by your own unless you have skills to fix it yourself.. You will be basically left alone with the problem. Shipping back to China for a repair will cost a lot of money.

[Gordo]

I agree with all teh risk..

but is that risk higher from the order of the store or seller we already got our motor from??

because if it's the same risk i guess it's not too bad... otherwise store like grind technology , etc would have all canceled their motor order...

Method, your point and experience is really important to us so we should listen your advice as well.

Do you think that larger order make Kenny thinking to supply us better quality?.. i mean an order of 100 motor have more chance to be well made.. than if we order like 30$

Doc

;

Doc;
I believe there is no difference in 30 or 100. The benefit of ordering 100 is that you can negotiate 101 for the price of 100. 1% and up to 5% extra at no cost, can be negotiated with many manufacturer's. They will all guarantee that every single motor is tested. We know from experience that this is not true. The only lever you have here is you relationship with Kenny. How strong is it? With Grin (ebike.ca) there is no question. He views dead products as a cost of doing business with his manufacturer's. With a group buy, you get a group price, but you get an individual headache if something goes wrong. You do not have the power of the group to make it right. My formula is a bit simplistic. If I can save 50%, I will take the risk on a $500 item. If I can only save 25% on a $500 item, I won't take the risk, but buy from a local supplier who takes the risk. I pay him for eliminating my risk.

[oatnet]

I'm still down for the 5403. I'd pay extra for any upgrades if it helps you wangle them out of Kenny, like 10ga phase and hall wiring with 200c jackets.

-JD

[damcard]

I would still like to try for one. I understand the risk. -Damcard

[Farfle]

Going to be doctoring up a few of these motors for some forum members, put me down for 3 5403's and 3 5404's.

[methods]

Going to be doctoring up a few of these motors for some forum members, put me down for 3 5403's and 3 5404's.

Cant wait to see it!



-methods

[Floont]

Count me in for a 5404 rear hub motor with disc mount. I live in Florida, but it may be more practical to have it shipped to JohnRobHolmes for him to lace to a rim I have yet to buy from him.

Regardless, count me in on one 5404 purchase.

FA

[Hyena]

Aussies, I was going to organise a buy of these 5404s too but had a bit of a bad taste left in my mouth after being screwed on the Hx35 order with dodgy wiring. It seems these wiring issues aren't isolated and as methods etc have said there's no guarantees or warranties with this sort of stuff out of China. The only vague upside to these issues is most of us that are looking at these sort of motors are gangsters who can probably fix wiring issues if they arise. It's still a PITA having to do this on a brand new motor though. I spent 2+ hrs this morning rewiring a DOA HS35 so again as a warning to other members who are looking to sell these for a profit, you need to factor all this in to your price. I should also declare a slight conflict of interest too I suppose as I sell things here occasionally too - although primarily as a fellow ES member delivering these goods where they're otherwise unavailable. Like Wojket is now taking the time to do for you all, so props to him. (you have an email too Wojtek)

So yeah, if it's not stepping on Wojteks toes Mr Asia might be able to facilitate things for our end. As also said we can expect delivery times to be huge so it might actually be worthwhile going with sea shipping. We'd probably need 10+ motors to make this a worthwhile venture though with all the added port and customs fees etc. The upside is it doesn't cost that much more when sending by sea to ship the motors laced, which saves alot of hassle at this end and over $100 once you source the rims, spokes and labour for lacing and truing.

[MadRhino]

Going to be doctoring up a few of these motors for some forum members, put me down for 3 5403's and 3 5404's.

Good news. You can make a specialty with that, and would be one very usefull resource of the sphere. I for one, will be glad to pay you good profit for supplying upgraded Clyte motors.

[wojtek]

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

old 5404 with 10pcs send to US and 10pcs send to Italy okay
rear motor dropout out 150mm for disc brake and 7 speed freewheel.
Price : 290USD/ea
Shipping cost to US $1300.00/10pcs 5400 motors for door to door service.
Shipping cost to Italy $1300.00/10pcs 5400 motor for door to door service　（same price as send to US )
Leading time 25 days.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

Hi Wojtek,
Motor with 5403 can made.
5400 series mount with 20" rim with 77mm spokes.


On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

Wojtek,
It is possible to send the order to different address. I will check the shipping cost for you while you have the address and zip code.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

Hi Wojtek,
Okay we will see and support how you work for managed the order.
Kind Regards
Kenny


On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

Wojtke,
I have mistake on check the shipping cost here are the update :
5404 motor with the carton.
USA $236.00
Australia $198.00

Sorry the last quotation with $145.00 not correct. It is for HS motor in light weight.
I will confirm the shipment when you have place the order again.

[wojtek]

so as you can see from the previous post, shipping costs of one un-laced motorhub:
USA $236.00
Australia $198.00

I have asked for some upgrades that you guys mentioned and will see what response i get.

totally agree with Hyena, it may make more sense to order them laced via sea shipping. [if the quality of lacing and rim is good]

If Kenny is not up for upgrades, Farfle will have a lot of work to do

[Hyena]

Yep, that hefty shipping price is why I suggested going by sea. I paid the premium last time (which wasn't quite as much on the lighter Hx motors) but it still still adds a fair bit to the bottom line. With these motors being more costly to start with + being heavier makes it less economical to send my air.

When he says he'll send door to door in lots of 10 he means to a single address - so you'd still have to redistribute them from a single address each country. This is what I had to do with my order.

I think we should push for the 135mm drop out spacing, or atleast have them made compatible so we can use a single speed freewheel if we want to fit them to a 135mm drop out. Having them made for 150mm spacing only would limit interest from members here I suspect.

Also is everyone aware of just how heavy these motors are ? They seriously weigh a tonne and dramatically affect the overall feel of the bike.

[wojtek]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn> wrote:

Yes, it is possible.
for one speed freewheel the motor will place in the axle's center.
But it will difficult to make a small quantity of the axle with special length. because the axle process with CNC. So it is request the special length of the axle with min.50pcs quantity.
I will informed what is the axle we have stock for one sped freewheel.
When you have the order for one speed freewheel motor.
Kind Regards
Kenny
发件人： Wojtek Podsada <podsada@gmail.com>
收件人： Crystalyte <crystalyte@yahoo.cn>
发送日期： 2011/8/10 (周三) 7:42:15 下午
主 题： Re: 5404 and 5403

thanks a lot!
i will keep updating you

a quick question- would it be possible to do a 5404 with a single speed freewheel and shorter axle? 140mm or so?

thanks
Wojtek

Yep, that hefty shipping price is why I suggested going by sea. I paid the premium last time (which wasn't quite as much on the lighter Hx motors) but it still still adds a fair bit to the bottom line. With these motors being more costly to start with + being heavier makes it less economical to send my air.

When he says he'll send door to door in lots of 10 he means to a single address - so you'd still have to redistribute them from a single address each country. This is what I had to do with my order.

I think we should push for the 135mm drop out spacing, or atleast have them made compatible so we can use a single speed freewheel if we want to fit them to a 135mm drop out. Having them made for 150mm spacing only would limit interest from members here I suspect.

Also is everyone aware of just how heavy these motors are ? They seriously weigh a tonne and dramatically affect the overall feel of the bike.

[wojtek]

Also is everyone aware of just how heavy these motors are ? They seriously weigh a tonne and dramatically affect the overall feel of the bike.

they are actually lighter than 53xx series. They weight 11kg, with rim and spokes 12.5kg. Please see lowracer thread with pictures of him weighting the motor.