New Turnigy Electric outboard project 6KW

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Re: New Turnigy Electric outboard project 6KW

Postby Jeremy Harris » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:44 am

Bazaki wrote:About the outboardmotor, the Torqeedo 4.0 can deliver 4.0KW continuous, has that something to do with the gearing reduction inside so the motor has a lower resistance winding ?


Yes. it's current that heats motors up, and current is directly proportional to torque. Power is proportional to torque x rpm, so if you keep the torque (and hence current) constant and increase rpm you increase power. If you take a motor that is OK for 30 A continuous without overheating and double the voltage, you will roughly get double the power and a similar amount of heat. This is a bit of a crude approximation, because if you increase rpm enough then other losses start to make the motor get hot, but it's good enough to try and explain the principle.

The torqeedo uses a small outrunner running at high rpm and a planetary gearbox to get the prop speed down. This allows the motor to spin fast and produce a lot of power without cooking. There's more on this topic in the later posts in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=38897
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Re: New Turnigy Electric outboard project 6KW

Postby Honk » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:19 am

I have some info from an email conversation with the man (Jochen) behind the Torcman 685 motor that is used in Torqeedo 4.0.
He stated that the rewinded Torcman 685 is no more efficent than 75% at 4KW output. At good midrange (1.5KW) it peaked at 85%.

That means the Torqeedo 4.0 has to dissipate approx 1333W at 4KW full blast, consuming 5333W from the battery bank.
I wonder if Torqeedo 4.0 has some kind of time limit recomendations for the use of full power?
The Torcman 685 is an outrunner and they are even more difficult to cool as the windings sit far away from the water cooled casing.

A few years back ago I found some statements at various forums from a couple of guys that had burnt their Torqeedo's.
Some guy burnt the electronic controller, another guy the motor.....maybe they are safer today?

At 2:12 in the Torqeedo 4.0 video at youtube it can be seen consuming 5459W when going at planning speeds with approx 4KW output.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIACjevcRw
This confirmes the inefficiency of the electric motor used by Torqeedo.
They should develop a motor of their own that was at least 95% efficient at top speeds......that is the minimum
efficiency I'd expect from their highly priced outboards if I was to be interested in a deal.
Efficiency is king!
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