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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby voicecoils » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:04 am

turbodan78 wrote:@voicecoils.... i like what you have done with that fighter! unique as, what kind of performance and range are ya getting running on high power setting?

will be interesting to see what can be done with that size/weight bike as the battery tech increases and hub motors get lighter with still great good/power :D

cheers Dan


Thanks Dan. I'll have to get back to you on some of the performance stats. It feels great but I don't have any instrumentation on it because I've pulled out the cycle analyst 'dashboard' to do some modding to allow me to datalog and record stats over rides (watts & watt-hours, volts, amps etc.). I also have a bike GPS (speed, distance, elevation etc) that I need to strap on. Hopefully I'll get the chance soon to do some more work on it.

I'm sure things will keep getting better with ebikes & I've seen Stealth Electric Bike improve their bikes rapidly over the past few years as new tech comes out.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:35 pm

how much does this thing cost?
is it possible to pedal at high speeds? otherwise it's NOT a e bike...
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby full-throttle » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:46 am

vodka wrote:is it possible to pedal at high speeds?
YES
Top gear is equivalent to 52/11 on mine, good for 80kph
vodka wrote:how much does this thing cost?
You know what they say: "if you have to ask you can't afford it" ;)
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby boostjuice » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:54 am

The base model Bomber starts at AU$7500 last I checked. Not sure on the Fighter.

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That i know of, it's only near competitors with similar off road capability, somewhat decent power, and pedigree of integrated battery frame design are the:

3rd-Element eSpire which retails for around 7,000Euro

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The Optibike 850Xli (Lowest spec) which starts at US$9995

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The Conway E-rider (scheduled for release 2012) Estimated RRP 6,000Euro

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby Kepler » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:55 am

vodka wrote:is it possible to pedal at high speeds? otherwise it's NOT a e bike...


Is this your rule? :roll:
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby knoxie » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:45 am

Some great looking rides there guys!! but they look so clean!! do any of you ever get them off road and dirty? things made for it!!

I suspect the chap in Germany may have a bad cell that is cutting his BMS dont know much about the pack they are using but would suggest it may be an issue.

I would love one of these bikes however dont think the missus would let it go :cry: and there are so many other toys I would also like, I already have 5 e bikes but you can never have enough of them IMHO oh and if you ask how much it is doesnt mean you cant afford it? ha ha it just gives you some idea on how much to reduce it when you tell the missus :lol:

Thanks for posting all your amazing machines, out of all of the off the shelf bikes this is by far the best for me, they need to open a European dealership, get that power limiting button on the bars and you are good to go!!
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:34 am

full-throttle wrote:Top gear is equivalent to 52/11 on mine, good for 80kph


on my bike I have 53T / 11T and that's good for Max 55km/h !

full-throttle wrote:You know what they say: "if you have to ask you can't afford it"


i could easily afford this, but i love to build my own bike, because i can :D. 7000 euro is ok, could be less.
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Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

Old bike: Crystalyte 5304 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4840 Controller / over 1000miles
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby boostjuice » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:47 am

vodka wrote:i could easily afford this, but i love to build my own bike, because i can :D. 7000 euro is ok, could be less.


Its the Stealth bomber that was ~AU$7,500 last i checked (about a year ago). With today's exchange rate that equates to ~€5,450 (Euro). It's the e-Spire that's ~€7000 :wink:
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:50 am

boostjuice wrote:Its the Stealth bomber that was ~AU$7,500 last i checked (about a year ago). With today's exchange rate that equates to ~€5,450 (Euro). It's the e-Spire that's ~€7000 :wink:


~€5,450 (Euro) is fair enough. plus shipping and taxes ...
-> Current bike build thread:
Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

Old bike: Crystalyte 5304 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4840 Controller / over 1000miles
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby competitions » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:07 am

boostjuice wrote:The base model Bomber starts at AU$7500 last I checked. Not sure on the Fighter.


Standard Fighter starts at $5500


Stealth are also represented in Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands ( http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/contact.html ).
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby full-throttle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:53 am

vodka wrote:on my bike I have 53T / 11T and that's good for Max 55km/h !
it obviously depends on your cadence and technique
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby full-throttle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:05 am

Thanks for kind words knoxie

The bikes see a lot of mud and dirt. One of advantages of exoskeleton design is that it is easy to clean.

I know what you mean by having too many toys (N + 1) I'm the same ;)
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:34 am

I believe this bike shares the same problem:

http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/applications.html

wtf? there is no way you can get this bike street legal like this,
especially in Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands...
-> Current bike build thread:
Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

Old bike: Crystalyte 5304 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4840 Controller / over 1000miles
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby Mark_A_W » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:22 pm

vodka wrote:I believe this bike shares the same problem:

http://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/applications.html

wtf? there is no way you can get this bike street legal like this,
especially in Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands...



Vodka.

Bugger off and piss in someone else's puddle.


I fail to see how your tail heavy* X5 touring bike is legal while the bomber with power limiting is not.


*If you haven't got the balance right then you haven't got a decent bike - the batteries go IN THE FRAME.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:57 pm

Mark_A_W wrote:Bugger off and piss in someone else's puddle.
I fail to see how your tail heavy* X5 touring bike is legal while the bomber with power limiting is not.
*If you haven't got the balance right then you haven't got a decent bike - the batteries go IN THE FRAME.


look, I don't sell bikes and advertise them with 80km/h top speed for commuting. never claimed that my bike is legal whereas I can also do current limiting. the bomber is hell of a off-road bike, I do not compare it with mine. btw i deliberately chosen the pannier-bag way to be cop-stealth. the tail weight is not a problem as my frame is made for it, trust me...
-> Current bike build thread:
Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

Old bike: Crystalyte 5304 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4840 Controller / over 1000miles
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:10 pm

Kepler wrote:
vodka wrote:is it possible to pedal at high speeds? otherwise it's NOT a e bike...


Is this your rule? :roll:


A bicycle, also known as a bike, pushbike or cycle, is a pedal-driven, human-powered, single-track vehicle, having two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other. A person who rides a bicycle is called a cyclist or a bicyclist.

I my opinion it's absolutely essential for vehicle called Bicycle or e-Bicycle, that the driver is able to add the human pealing power to it. otherwise it's just a Motorcycle. makes sense to me. maybe i should start a new thread :mrgreen:
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Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby full-throttle » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:54 pm

vodka wrote:i deliberately chosen the pannier-bag way to be cop-stealth
Hiding things doesn't make it legal

The Stealth bikes are fitted with a true 200w limiter. User can override it for situations where the limit is not enforced: racing, private tracks and some off-road riding.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby boostjuice » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:55 am

Just out of interest, how fast does a bomber travel on level ground/no wind/no pedaling, holding 200W? I'm guessing less than 20kph/12mph with it's 55kg mass.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby full-throttle » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:34 am

That's about right, say 28kph tops. Mass doesn't matter so much once its moving, just takes longer to get there.

BTW the throttle response is adjusted to have more resolution in legal mode.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby Kepler » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:49 am

I actually tested this just the other day. Set to 200W through the CA on mine. Dead flat no wind = 22kph. I imagine different winds and different voltages would change this a bit but not too much.
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby vodka » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:44 am

full-throttle wrote:The Stealth bikes are fitted with a true 200w limiter. User can override it for situations where the limit is not enforced: racing, private tracks and some off-road riding.
doesn't make it legal either, you know that. Who in the world what's a 7000$ 4500W bike that's restricted to 200W for commuting. you must be joking.
legal legal switch there is no such thing . but what ever, who gives a frock, i don't :lol:
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Crystalyte 5303 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst 2.2 / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4850 Controller 18 Fets / over ~6000 km / Gear ratio of 1 : 4.82 view images

Old bike: Crystalyte 5304 rear 26" / Cycleanalyst / 48 Volt 30Ah Ping Battery 1.5Kw/h/ Crystalyte 4840 Controller / over 1000miles
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby Kepler » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:47 pm

Vodka, This is a thread for Stealth Electric bike owners to show and tell about their ride. I suggest you stop trolling this thread and take your ill informed comments somewhere else. :x
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby deecanio » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:44 pm

indeed, im enjoying this thread and imho stealth is the best offering available to date.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby turbodan78 » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:29 am

Been enjoying this thread and hope to add info pics and video soon but i've seen everything on the net with these things (which is awesome) and am wondering when some vids will come out hammering these bikes!!
even against other e-bikes, pitbikes, up the snotty'st hills, boggy'st conditions etc...

found someone else within 200k's getting the same spec bike at the same time as me so will be good to hook up for rides here and there but a whole bunch would be a blast!!

keep up the good work ;) cheers Dan
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Postby Jetman » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:05 am

I, too, am enjoying this thread. For those fellow Americans interested in these fine pieces of machinery, Stealth Electric Bikes has just put up a new website and now has an American distributor:

http://stealthelectricbikesusa.com/index.html

I was hoping for some more/new videos and pics on the US website, but talking to Stealth Bikes, they will be done right and put up by professionals in the coming months. Hopefully they will feature the newer motors, including the 3 kW Stealth Fighter, which is what I have ordered and am waiting for.

A few questions for the veterans:
1. Like turbodan78 in the previous post, I too am hoping for more pictures, videos, reviews, and stories about owning and riding these bikes. Does anyone have any more videos out there?

2. I will be doing about 50% urban riding. Does anyone have any recommendations for bike chains/locks? This is obviously a huge investment that I don't want stolen.

3. Are there any modifications that you all have done to the bikes that you can't live without?

4. Is the stock seat comfortable? (as far as bike seats go anyhow?)

5. For the Fighter, are the two gears enough? Are you able to add appropriate pedal power throughout the speed ranges?

6. Any Americans own the bikes other than our friend in Florida and California? For any Americans, have you had problems with the authorities? I'm guessing this is so novel in the US, that no one would really even know what the bike is.

Thanks all! I can't wait till mine arrives.
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