Nissan Leaf EV

[AndyH]

Here's an old video that shows a bit more of the battery construction and a cut-away of the major systems. Battery closeups at 1:04.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrNmplhx7ag


It looks like as of at least Feb 10 the split car/battery plan is dead.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/nissan-leaf-pricing-clarified-somewhat/
"Nissan today announced a timeline for the rollout of its Leaf electric car, but, perhaps more important, the company confirmed that the car and battery pack will be purchased or leased—just like a normal car—as a single unit. Previously, speculation about how the company might meet its aggressive pricing goals—“a well-equipped C-segment vehicle,” in their words, probably about $25,000—suggested the battery would be leased separately from the car. We now know that will not be the case."

[voicecoils]

Here's an old video that shows a bit more of the battery construction and a cut-away of the major systems. Battery closeups at 1:04.

FYI, the battery pack is from AESC if it hasn't already been mentioned in the thread.

[Miles]

Production in UK, too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8573724.stm

[liveforphysics]

I've managed to convince my mom to buy one of these Nissan Leaf's the moment they become available for sale. She has been looking for a new commuter car, and only has a 20mile round-trip commute, and doesn't care much about performance, so it seems like a perfect choice for her.


I'm excited to get enough of them on the roads to create a steady supply of wrecked Leafs at the auto-wrecking yards. It will make a cheap supply of many handy EV parts.

[AndyH]

Ok...the real question is...how much LiPo can we get behind the rear seat?

Range is based on the LA4 urban drive cycle which has a small bit of expressway and a bunch of starts/stops. The 100 mile range estimate is without AC or heat. AC may drop range 10-20% and cabin heat will take a bigger bite at about 20%+. It should be a bit easier than an ICE car on at least initial climate control, since it can be pre-heated or -cooled on 'shore power' before driving away with a full pack. One estimate suggested a real-world 80 mile range in hot weather.

[AndyH]

Last day to sign-up on-line for a LEAF reservation -- $99 deposits start Tuesday the 20th by email invitation.

I look forward to reading about real-world experience from those of you in the initial roll-out areas! It's looking like Texas isn't in the early roll-out so I gotta wait.

[jmygann]

The auto maker will begin delivering the car, which is expected to have a 100-mile range, in December. The Leaf will start at $32,780, and buyers will be eligible for a $7,500 federal tax credit for electric vehicles. Nissan has a capacity to build 50,000 Leafs annually for the global market, including the U.S., at its plant in Japan.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/04 ... r-leaf.php

sign up ...

http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric- ... .Link.Leaf.

[AndyH]

All Righty! Nissan redesigned their website and has another round of pre-registration for the 15 May 'general' rollout. The folks that registered prior to the 20th are receiving email from Nissan with a link to register and place a $99 refundable place-holder fee.

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Not all Nissan dealers will be in the LEAF 'system'. Those that are can take place-holder fees from walk-ins starting May 15th.

AeroVironment is making the 240V home charger interfaces.

More EVs on the road is a very, very good thing!

[AndyH]

Could it really be that Nissan has more LiIon experience than any other auto maker?!

The Nissan Altra - a crossover vehicle before there were crossovers - used LiIon to get a 120-140 mile range - 1n 1997!

http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/103 ... powered-ev

http://www.altfuels.org/events/testdriv/altra.html

Could it really be that while the gen-1 EV1 used lead and the RAV4 had NiMh that Nissan fielded a purpose-built EV and filled it with LiIon?

[Miles]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10120053.stm

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

I've managed to convince my mom to buy one of these Nissan Leaf's the moment they become available for sale.

hey, way to pimp ur mom.
"ah weel tairn yeww out"

[Toshi]

ABG: Nissan Leaf battery details further unveiled

Battery porn:



The taller part of the battery pack in the background of the image will go under the rear seats. The flatter part will go under the floor and front seats.




Note the scheduled charging to take advantage of off-peak rates and scheduled A/C and heat timing that'll be used to cool or heat the car while it's still on the charger, minimizing its use (and maximizing comfort) once off the charger and on the road. :thumb:

[Nissan] PRESS RELEASE

Type: Laminated lithium-ion battery
Total capacity (kWh): 24
Power output (kW): Over 90
Number of modules: 48 [each containing 4 cells, so 192 total]

Battery pack contents:
-Positive electrodes – Lithium manganate
-Negative electrodes – Carbon
-Cells
-Modules
-Assembly parts

Charging times:
-Quick charger DC50kW (0 to 80%): apx. 30 min
-Home-use AC240V charging dock (0-100%): less than 8 hrs

Battery layout: Under seat & floor
Battery life: After 10 years, the battery is expected to have 70-80 percent of its original storage capacity

The 70-80% remaining capacity estimate after 10 years depends on how much fast vs. not-as-fast (see below) charging one does, with fast charging causing more depletion down the road. The good news it that utility companies may well be interested in buying back those batteries at the end of their useful automotive-application range, regardless of whether they hold 70 or 80%.

Fast = Level 3, high voltage DC, 30 minutes to 80% charge, think municipal charging station
Not as fast = Level 2, 220/240V AC, 8 hours to go from 0-100% charge, installed in every Leaf owner's garage

Other interesting bits from the article are that Nissan's Smyrna, TN plant, for which ground was figuratively broken yesterday, will have the capacity to build 200,000 battery packs per year. The nearby Leaf assembly plant only can build 150,000 Leafs per year at full capacity. This implies that Nissan will be selling excess battery packs to other manufacturers or will be building some non-Leaf BEVs or hybrids. Excellent.

[ngocthach1130]

Other interesting bits from the article are that Nissan's Smyrna, TN plant, for which ground was figuratively broken yesterday, will have the capacity to build 200,000 battery packs per year. The nearby Leaf assembly plant only can build 150,000 Leafs per year at full capacity. This implies that Nissan will be selling excess battery packs to other manufacturers or will be building some non-Leaf BEVs or hybrids. Excellent.

Not really. It's only 50,000 pack. Which can be used as service parts and repair. I'm sure not all those 150,000 Leaf will be fault free. Even if they're fault free i don't think you can remove the human. We're prone to error.

[Toshi]

Design News: Nissan Bets on the Electric Car. This is a solid, slightly technical article on how Nissan's choices over the years are paying off now.

Since shelving the electric Altra almost a decade ago, it has kept its eye on the all-electric prize, working non-stop on EV batteries. The automaker has pulled together big teams of engineers at its Technical Center and at its Advanced Technology Center in Atsugi, Japan, as well as at its Research Center in Oppama and its Operations Center in Zama. Their task: to build a higher-energy, lower-cost, EV battery.

The Leaf's engineering team says the resulting battery will take the car 100 miles between charges, without clogging up valuable space in the back seat or trunk. The key, they say, has been a dedicated 17-year effort that has resulted in a two-fold boost in the battery's energy density. By packing more energy into less volume, the battery provides Nissan engineers with choices - longer range or smaller batteries, or an idealized combination of the two. That's why they've been able to store the battery under the Leaf's floor while still reaching 100 miles of range.

"The breakthrough happened in 2002 or 2003," says Mark Perry, director of product planning for Nissan USA. "We changed the chemistry, went to laminate cells, and at the end of the day, we had twice the energy density. That allowed us to optimize the vehicle platform. Suddenly, we had a mass market vehicle concept."

[dnmun]

it is possible that we could build fast charge stations which only produced about 7kW of power at the high DC level they mentioned. it appears the pack is 48S of LiMn in these big pouches that lay flat in the trays under the body.

so we are talking about a switch mode supply producing 35A at about 200V. manzanito micro is building these fast chargers used for these quick charge municipal charging stations that ecotality is building out here.

already on even the company website where they have a message board for future owners, the talk is about how they will be able to avoid the huge costs of the charging spots by rigging up a simple pigtail to the dryer outlet to charge using the onboard 6kW charger that is the long term charger, rather than the big buck module that nissan is requiring people to use to charge with. but the initial charger at release will only be a 3kW onboard charger, so 8 hour charge is what they are using for the press.

by leaving the charge spot build out to one monopoly, i can already see the seeds of this whole program's destruction, they really should be giving the chargers away free, if the city or municipality would match with tax credits for the real estate that the charger would occupy. i am already thinking of how to provide charging for people without going through the nissan web based monitoring of the charging cycle.

i hope they do not write code to prevent you from charging without logging into nissan's network.

the other problem will be the technical people needed, build out will have huge numbers of failures and new techs will not be savvy so the chargers will be down alot. could be a good job too in the future, better paid than straight work even i would expect. so worth learning about how to fix chargers, big chargers. but i expect onsite repairs would be swapout of whatever module called for.

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

they really should be giving the chargers away free,

ha ha, good one.

the hang up preventing the widespread adoption of EV's has never been technical.
the problem has always been the sheer simplicity of the system doesn't allow for a cheap way to implement a choke-point onto which subscription costs can be bridled & a monopoly based upon.
otherwise we could have easily been tooling around in electric cars for over the past century.
the mpu has now changed all that with closed source code being the pass key locking out the end user which is why the EV push is now on, more so than improvements in battery capacity.

[MitchJi]

Hi,

Interesting battery information here:
http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2009/11/nissan-long-range-battery-may-be-ready.html

Nissan Motor Co. is developing a lithium ion battery for electric vehicles that can store electricity at double the current capacity. Nissan aims to equip electric cars with the battery by 2015.

The new system is a lithium-ion battery using a lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide cathode. Capacity is raised by improving the positive electrode, specifically, using nickel and cobalt, not only manganese. The new battery can store about twice as much electricity as batteries with positive electrodes made only from manganese. It is robust enough for practical use, able to withstand 1,000 or so charge cycles.

Nissan estimates that the battery will cost about the same as conventional lithium ion ones to produce, as it contains only a small amount of cobalt, a relatively expensive metal.

The new battery will be able to power an electric vehicle for 300 kilometers (186 miles) on a single charge, about twice the distance currently possible.

http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/05/nissan-say-leaf-ev-battery-pack-cost.html

Nissan say they have been working on EV batteries for the past 18 years and are currently working on a lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide cathode based battery that they expect to be fitting to Leaf EVs by 2015. With double the energy density of current cells, they will give the Leaf 200 miles range on a single charge.

Nissan expect this range combined with the money savings on EV running costs will 'tip' the market the same way the European market for Diesel cars 'tipped' 15 years ago.

Nice gallery of pictures here:
http://green.autoblog.com/photos/nissan-leaf-battery-plant-groundbreaking/#3019888

Nice series of articles here:
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1047669_2011-nissan-leaf-your-ultimate-reference-guide

Here's the list:

* My Nissan Leaf Won't Be Here Until...April?
* So, Can You Drive The 2011 Nissan Leaf Cross-Country?
* 2011 Nissan Leaf: Waterboarded For Your Safety
* 2011 Nissan Leaf Drive Review: A Real Car For Real People
* 2011 Nissan Leaf First Drive
* Can't Afford To Buy An EV? Rent A 2011 Nissan Leaf In January
* 2011 Nissan Leaf: Batteries. - All you need to know about the battery pack.
* 2011 Nissan Leaf Prototype Quick Drive Impressions
* 2011 Leaf EV: Timeline For Rollout, More About Hand-Raisers
* The 2011 Nissan Leaf is a Mac: The 2011 Chevy Volt is a PC
* 2011 Nissan Leaf Matches Volt: 8 Year, 100,000 Mile Warranty
* Video: 2011 Nissan Leaf EV Navigation System Demo
* Nissan Gives Test-Drives of 2011 Leaf Production Model, Feedback Positive, 80% charge in 30 minutes
* Nissan Leaf. We Order Ours, And Show You How
* What's Slicker, The Nissan Leaf iAd Or The Nissan Leaf?
* Got A Leaf And An Apple iPhone? There's An App For That
* Hertz Wants You To Rent A Leaf
* 2011 Nissan Leaf EV To Be Built in U.K> As Well As Japan, U.S.
* Nissan Tuning 2011 Leaf EV To Be Audible, Not Audacious
* Armstrong, Apple Ads Accelerate 2011 Nissan Leaf Marketing
* Nissan Leaf Audio Warnings Disappoints Advocates, Need For Sound Questioned
* 2011 Nissan Leaf Spied Testing on Arizona Roads
* 2011 Nissan Leaf Hits Japanese Sales Goals, 60% of Pre-orders From Baby Boomers
* Get a Tree Planted On Your Behalf Just For Liking The 2011 Nissan Leaf?
* Nissan Announce Leaf Pricing in E.U., Confirm Three More EVs
* 2011 Leaf Priced $40k in Japan, $33k for U.S. Buyers

[MitchJi]

Hi,

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/08/09/nations-first-public-quick-charge-station-opens-up-in-portland/

Okay, despite the argument that there may not be a need for public chargers, we can't help but be giddy to announce that the U.S. finally has its first quick-charge station. The installation is now complete at the parking garage of the World Trade Center building in downtown Portland, OR, and the charger is capable of boosting most electric vehicle batteries from zero to 80 percent charge in just 20 to 30 minutes.

The grand opening event was led by Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski, who is seen in the video after the jump cautiously attaching the charging cable to the Nissan Leaf. As Engadget reports, use of the quick-charge station is free of charge, but entry into the public parking garage will set you back three dollars. (Here's why.)



PRESS RELEASE
Portland General Electric opens North America's first public-use quick-charge station for electric vehicles in collaboration with NEC Electric vehicles can charge up in 20 to 30 minutes

PORTLAND, Ore. - Portland General Electric (NYSE: POR), Oregon's largest utility, and NEC Corporation (NEC; TSE: 6701), a leading network, communications and information technology company, announced today they have opened North America's first public-use, quick-charge station for electric vehicles.

The station was awarded public-use certification by the City of Portland following the successful installation and testing of the station manufactured by Takasago Ltd., a subsidiary of NEC, at the PGE headquarters in the Two World Trade Center parking garage, 121 SW Salmon St, Portland, Ore. The Takasago Rapid Charging Station is specialized for recharging electric vehicles with lithium-ion batteries and requires only 20 to 30 minutes to recharge a battery to 80 percent of full strength.

PGE and NEC officially opened the quick-charge station today with Governor Ted Kulongoski, who charged up an all-electric Nissan LEAF, during a two-day LEAF test drive event at PGE. Portland and the state of Oregon have been designated as top-tier launch markets for the Nissan LEAF when it goes on sale in the United States in December.

"Quick-charging stations are an exciting advancement in our effort to bring electric vehicles to Oregon," said Gov. Kulongoski. "By making charging convenient and available for public use, we are telling car manufacturers that Oregon is ready for the next generation of electric vehicles - and we want our state to be a leader in introducing these cars to the rest of the country."

"Partnering with NEC to bring the nation's first publicly available, quick-charge station to Oregon further solidifies PGE's commitment to developing the infrastructure needed to support electric vehicles now coming to the U.S. market," said Jim Piro, president and CEO, PGE.

"With the addition of the Takasago Rapid Charging Station to the growing network of EV charging stations in Oregon, we are able to further our research on how this new technology will interact with our electrical system and support our EV-driving customers," Piro added.

"This project reflects NEC's ongoing commitment to the development of new infrastructure that utilizes renewable resources. As a supplier of electric vehicle batteries, our introduction of the rapid electric vehicle charging station is a natural stage in the evolution of NEC's environmentally friendly solutions," said Hideki Niwaya, general manager, Public Utility Solutions Division, NEC. "Looking forward, NEC aims to continue developing mission critical solutions, including information and communications technologies (ICT) services and smart grids that represent the latest in technological innovation."

The Takasago Rapid Charging Station complies with the "CHAdeMO," a global EV charging standard developed in Japan. The station provides power output of 50kw (50-500V, 0-125A) and supports power input of AC200V+-30V.

PGE's alliance partner, Portland State University, and the Oregon Transportation Research and Education Consortium will document the acquisition, installation, certification, and testing procedures for this quick charger and release its findings in September

[MitchJi]

Hi,

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/08/14/report-nissan-to-allocate-2-000-leafs-to-uk-in-2011-half-heade/

Report: Nissan to allocate 2,000 Leafs to UK in 2011, half headed to fleets
Aug 14th 2010 at 5:52PM

Last weekend, Nissan revealed some info regarding the Leaf's availability and its allocation in the UK and managed to do so with little fanfare and virtually no media coverage. It's almost as if Nissan intended to slip this announcement by without us getting wind of some pertinent info that could make electric vehicle-loving residents of the UK a bit angered. What's the news? Half of the Leafs headed to the UK in 2011 will be reserved for fleet use. The company also suggested that its allocation of 1,000 Leafs have already been claimed by fleet customers. A Nissan spokesperson said:

We probably could have sold all of next year's allocation to fleet customers, but we wanted to make sure retail customers who wanted to buy the Leaf were able to, so we decided to split equally between fleet and retail.

Combining the statements above gives us the impression that Nissan intends to ship just 2,000 Leafs to the UK in 2011, with half headed to the retail market. Now, that will likely upset those early adopters who may find it hard to get their hands on a Leaf for a long while, but Nissan could have allocated all of the 2011 model run to fleets, thus making it impossible to get one in the UK until 2012. Thankfully, Nissan did not choose to follow that route.

[AndyH]

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[Coen]

Awesome ad!

Thats what i call marketing!

Makes you wonder how much the way we are moving is going to change in a couple decades..

[veloman]

We're still going to have incredibly dirty polluting work/commercial trucks blasting all over our roads for the next 20 years, minimum. Usually it's the contractor type vehicles, or really any diesel truck. At least with a full semi or dump truck they truly use all that power. I can't believe many of these things are actually allowed on the road, with all the crap they spew out. Makes a crossover SUV look like a treehugger.

We really need to a replacement for diesel trucks. I have no idea how that's going to happen unless they can cut battery cost by 80%, and increase capacity by 300-400%.

[Ykick]

We really need to a replacement for diesel trucks. I have no idea how that's going to happen unless they can cut battery cost by 80%, and increase capacity by 300-400%.

CNG (compressed natural gas) can help the transition IMO. Use it for large commercial vehicles and you can buy a little more time. This country needs to rely more on bulk transport trains instead of OTR (over the road) trucking. Hire many more drivers using alternative energy trucks for deliveries from numerous strategically located rail hubs. Trouble is, that's a huge shift of infrastructure and people will never be willing to pay for it.

[torker]

Awesome ad!

Thats what i call marketing!

Makes you wonder how much the way we are moving is going to change in a couple decades..

I know. Gotta show that to my wife when she gets home. I know i am not supposed to get a kick out of making girls cry

I just caught up on this whole thread and although I am disapointed that it won't be the 10,000 dollar ride I was hoping for it is a BIG step in the right direction. 100 mi. range would suit me fine. Now to get it below $20,000 so it would come in under 15k with rebate and then it is what I would pay to replace one car now.

I am really ready to see what comes down the pike in the next couple years I am really tired of doing oil changes

[Toshi]

116 miles of range from a Leaf with A/C on, albeit driven more conservatively than most reasonable people would expect (ie, 5 under, 10 under at times): http://www.plugincars.com/nissan-leaf-116-mile-range.html

More interesting to me than the range number is that they used 22.76 kWh from a nominally 24 kWh battery and that their rate of energy consumption was under 200 Wh/mile. What's 200 Wh/mile in context? Well, I and most people use 300 Wh/mile as a typical ballpark estimate for car energy needs, and my old electric bike would hum along with 25-35 Wh/mile depending on how I rode it.

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http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/22/2011-nissan-leaf-review-drive-second/

More tidbits:

- No rare earth metals in the car, which means not subject to delays secondary to China's reticence to provide these materials to the rest of the world
- "Lots of recycled materials" used in the car's production: seat material from recycled plastic bottles, for instance
- 99% recyclable by weight in Japan
- 94-95% recyclable by weight in the US, which lags behind Japan in ability to process recyclables
- 0-60 "around 7 seconds"
- Lots of info on the dashboard about energy consumption and range: