Ypedal wrote:these Heinz motors are not too shabby ...
Agreed. That was my first experience with e-bikes, building one back in 2000 that had an 800W Heinzmann hub. I had to recalibrate my sense of what constituted normal e-bike quality when I came across Chinese made stuff later.
Some Heinzmann motors are German made, and some Chinese-- but they are all built to German spec and approval.