Dual rotor axial flux motor design

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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:37 am

Miles wrote:Accepting some imbalance, I'm leaning towards increasing the number of turns from 4 to 6 and missing out the first half turn from the first module of each phase. Might as well gain the advantage of losing an endturn, too :D

Reasonable compromise?

I kept the endturn for the sake of uniformity :)

It makes for a neat connection.
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:28 am

Data for the 6t wind:

Kv 100 rpm/V (estimated)
Kt 0.0955 Nm/A (estimated)
Rm 8.8 milliohms (calculated)
Nominal speed 4000 rpm
Flux frequency at nominal speed 533 Hz
Core volume 8.5222E4 cubic mm (calculated)
Core mass 0.672 kg (calculated)
Voltage @ nominal speed 40V
Total parasitic losses @ nominal speed (Arnolds thin gauge GO 0.15mm @ 1.5T) 40 Watts (estimated)
No load amps @ 40V 1amp (estimated)
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:33 am

Above data in Drive Calc:
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:00 pm

Finished designing the stator (for now...)
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:30 am

Comparison with Astro 3220 7t which weighs the same as my 'motor' and has the same torque constant. Not fair to compare theoretical against empirical but interesting nevertheless...
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby fechter » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:40 am

8X less loss at the current limit would be nice. If you can come anywhere close to predicted it will be great.
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:25 pm

Just because I like rendering... :)
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby TylerDurden » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:45 pm

Bling! :mrgreen:
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:27 am

TylerDurden wrote:Bling! :mrgreen:
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby fechter » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:21 am

Solid gold windings should have less resistance than copper. :wink:
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:41 am

fechter wrote:Solid gold windings should have less resistance than copper. :wink:
You'd think so but apparently not, which is why they are gold plated silver :wink:

Ref: http://www.thecarpcstore.com/cms/index. ... &Itemid=68
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby TylerDurden » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:57 am

And the stator lams?
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:04 am

TylerDurden wrote:And the stator lams?
Platinum plated Cobalt alloy :P
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Arlo1 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:36 am

Miles wrote:
fechter wrote:Solid gold windings should have less resistance than copper. :wink:
You'd think so but apparently not, which is why they are gold plated silver :wink:

Ref: http://www.thecarpcstore.com/cms/index. ... &Itemid=68

Sounds like a cheep build so lets get to production.
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Kingfish » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am

Plating: I believe that to assuage intermetalics between layers that it needs to be Copper-Nickel-Gold. 8)

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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby TylerDurden » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:49 am

Miles wrote:
TylerDurden wrote:And the stator lams?
Platinum plated Cobalt alloy :P
But of course... pure platinum is too heavy!!
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Philistine » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:55 am

Did P Diddy get a DUI?
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Miles » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:15 am

Philistine wrote:Did P Diddy get a DUI?
No. He's upgrading the motors on his Segway.....
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby fechter » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:10 am

Miles wrote:
fechter wrote:Solid gold windings should have less resistance than copper. :wink:
You'd think so but apparently not, which is why they are gold plated silver :wink:

I stand corrected :oops:
We'll just have to wait until we can get graphene sheets.
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Re: Dual rotor axial flux motor design

Postby Arlo1 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:21 am

fechter wrote:
Miles wrote:
fechter wrote:Solid gold windings should have less resistance than copper. :wink:
You'd think so but apparently not, which is why they are gold plated silver :wink:

I stand corrected :oops:
We'll just have to wait until we can get graphene sheets.

I have a feeling it will be sprayed on or polished on. I have graphite sheets for conducting heat and power out of my fets... All you need to do is coat something with a smothe thin layer of it then coat it with somehting to stop it from rubbing off.
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