Milwaukee/Molicels/Samsungs

[SlyCayer]

Hey,

I got Milwaukee packs for sale:

9.5 X Milwaukee 48-11-1828(12V+) @ $7.00 each($59.50)
3 X Milwaukee 48-11-2830(24V+)(Samsungs, just like 48-11-1828 ABOVE) @ $10.00 each($30.00)

The above batteries would result in between 86 - 92 good cells(INR18650-15M)

17 X Milwaukee 48-11-2830(26V+)(7 X E-moli 26650) @ $10.00 each($255.00)
4 X Milwaukee 48-11-1830(12V+)(SAME AS ABOVE ONLY IS 5 CELLS(might only have 4 good cells)) @ $7.00($40.00)

PM ME if interested.

[kevo]

Are these the cells used in the Milwaukee M12 and M18 cordless tools?

[SlyCayer]

Are these the cells used in the Milwaukee M12 and M18 cordless tools?

Yes(excluding the emolis)

[SlyCayer]

Nobody interested? I might have to throw these away...

[SlyCayer]

LoL... These are not that popular it seems.

[Kin]

A while ago I was interested in your cells but you were kind of hard to talk to. I ended up getting some from someone else, but that was actually a mistake because I got really shitty cells.

As a constructive kind of comment, I would point out how Doc tries to test the cycle count of the packs he sells...is there any way you can do that, to boost the sales confidence?

[JoramsWeapon]

I second Kin's suggestion. I have purchased a large set of these batteries from SlyCayer, well it was at slightly lower price, but anyway most of them turned out to be great batteries for what I paid for them. They are easier to take apart than Makita packs and actually had superior discharge capacity than the Konion 18650V's despite having a slightly higher internal resistance. I'm not certain if this was because they had less cycles on them or if they're actually better batteries. I'm a happy customer and I can provide a quick review:

1. The type of LiMn cells varied far too much even though on the surface they are the same by model number. For example I had some that were 18650-15M, others were 18650-13Q, some were UR18650W2, and three rare occasions were 18650E "Made in Canada" a white-ish gray coloured cell. I have never seen a manufacturer jump around so much on the cells they use, it makes it more difficult to make parallel strings of cells.

I should rank the different cell types:
1. UR18650W2, these are the cells most likely to give the most capacity at the highest discharge rate with the lowest IR. This is my second encounter with this cell type, they provide the discharge rate of the Konion 18650VT with the capacity of the Konion 18650V's...they are the best IMO.
2. 18650-15M and 18650-13Q, they are quite similar cells but the latter version proved to be slightly better. I would say they are most similar to the Konion 18650V's we are so fond of although they did give about 100-200mah more under the same discharge rate.
3. The 18650E "Made in Canada". Every time I come across these cells they are junk junk junk. None of them put up more than 0.5C. That's the ones I bought from SlyCayer and from other sources, they just suck.

2. The BMS that decides that the battery pack is a 'failure' is not very good at what it does. I had some packs where the cells were practically brand new all cells good, then some rare others where even though their resting voltage was above 17V they just couldn't pump the amps and failed to deliver 1.5C. The "dead" cells could be random at any location in the pack. The Makita packs are much more consistent, you're virtually guaranteed to get 8 or 4 good cells out of a pack usually the same cell-group.

The most important thing to mention about these cells is that although they are LiMn they differ from the Konions is one important feature: they DO NOT self-balance. I was reading somewhere that it has something to do with the nickel-laced cathode but whatever it is they do not self-balance even when capacity and resistance matched. If planning on using any of these Milwaukee cells you will definitely need balance wires.

[SlyCayer]

Hi Guys,

You are right, but the cycles cannot be calculated on the M18/M12s, I haven't seen the tester to do that.

For Makita Batteries, yes, there is a tester that can count cycles but it's a $2,000 machine.

All and All, I do my best with what I have to sell the best possible packs possible.

At this point it's not valuable to buy that machine for me.

Sorry.

[JoramsWeapon]

Pardon me, I had said before that all these cell types do not self-balance. The Sanyo UR18650W2 cells do appear to self balance quite well, the others no but the Sanyo cells do.
Don't throw them away Sylvain I want some I'm just waiting until some more cash comes my way.

[SlyCayer]

Pardon me, I had said before that all these cell types do not self-balance. The Sanyo UR18650W2 cells do appear to self balance quite well, the others no but the Sanyo cells do.
Don't throw them away Sylvain I want some I'm just waiting until some more cash comes my way.

Ain't throwing them away just yet, I would use them myself later if no one would take them...

Quick question, where did those UR18650W2 came out of? Milwaukee's? Tell me the exact pack, M12? M18? Ridgids? I remember you had taken from Ridgids and Milwaukee if I remember correctly.

[JoramsWeapon]

Those Sanyo cells came out of the Milwaukee m18 and m12 packs, as well as the 10cell ridgids. The 5cell rigids universally had the 18650E pink cells. The pink cells perform about the same as konions but very inconsistent, you're just as likely to encounter a perfect pack as a near death pack. The Milwaukee flipped all over the place with the cells they used it was very strange. I should have made note of their model AND serial numbers once I noticed the different cells. I'll check to see if I still have some of the cases and report back here.

[SlyCayer]

Interesting, I didn't know they actually used Sanyos, I knew they used some Molicels in the M12 before M18 came out, when M18 came out I was under the impression that Samsungs we're used...

Weird... I am wondering if the new M18 are Sanyos...

[cassschr1]

2 years ago i took apart a lot of 5 cell ridgid (100) they had the grey moli from canada. Seem to be junk for cap and c rating.
Had sanyo w2 and LG blue cells also in some ryobi 3a packs. I thought they performed ok.

[kevo]

So are the M12's LiMn throughout, but used different manufacturers depending on the dates

[SlyCayer]

So are the M12's LiMn throughout, but used different manufacturers depending on the dates

M12 has changed the manufacturer's 3 times that I know off, and changed cells 4 times.

Molicel's first
Sanyo's second
Samsung's 13Q
Samsung's 15M

Correct me if I am wrong.