Custom Lipo Series Parallel Harnesses & More!

[Alan B]

Anyone know the rest of the story? Hope things are well with him.

[wojtek]

Nearly all his posts are wiped off from the whole thread..

good wishes!

[Alan B]

Sad to see.

[moonshine]

Thought i'd verify ice is still making badass harnesses. I went on his website (i forgot the link...it's somewhere in this thread) and gave him a call (his number is on there). He was ready to roll. Just tell him what you want and he'll order the stuff and charge accordingly. He made a 30s2p harness for me so that i would have a wicked simple plug and charge setup. He also used 75 amp andersons on every every connector...SO BADASS. I'll have to post pics later, although, I'm sure ice will have plenty of pics too. Hope this helps.

[RallySTX]

Sure does Moonshine, thanks!
Brian L.

[Hobbit]

Thought i'd verify ice is still making badass harnesses. I went on his website (i forgot the link...it's somewhere in this thread) and gave him a call (his number is on there). He was ready to roll. Just tell him what you want and he'll order the stuff and charge accordingly. He made a 30s2p harness for me so that i would have a wicked simple plug and charge setup. He also used 75 amp andersons on every every connector...SO BADASS. I'll have to post pics later, although, I'm sure ice will have plenty of pics too. Hope this helps.

Ooh, That rocks!

[icecube57]

I haven't been hacked. I went through my thread and clear 98% of it because there are some people that troll through and really waste my time either probing for information to the point where its like I tell them what to do and linked to my videos they do whatever the hell they want to anyway to be cheap. You have cheap people that troll through thinking they are going to score a deal in comparison to a price that they see online somewhere at an online vendor and I give them a quote and they think I'm smoking crack. I really wanted out and to reduce the attention. I still responded to those that came to me correctly. I still make harnesses no matter how big or small.

Last year I was making harnesses near or at cost. Sometimes I undercharged and lost money. I reviewed everything and I adjusted my prices so they are now anywhere from 20-50 higher than they were. THIS IS TO COMPENSATE FOR MATERIAL SHIPPING COST AND MY LABOR TO WHERE I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING A GOOD DEAL. When I quote someone a harness price its solely A LA CARTE. People suggest I make stock configurations but that goes against what CUSTOM is all about. I also can tie up money on materials on stuff I may or may not sale. I order materials for every harness. Shipping has to be paid for those materials sometimes they come from 2-3 separate vendors. I try to get these items shipped to me cheaply and efficiently as possible. Last year I was absorbing these cost thinking its the right thing to do. A real business has all the parts and tools on hand and makes items on demand. Materials cost a lot of money. When I was giving quotes I was giving people the total run down on how much their harness cost and applying the shipping fees and the labor. People either chumped me off like I was crazy and probably bought some inferior and way pre-made cable from some online vendor with undersized wire and short wires you cant do shit with or they probably tried to copy me and badgered me with questions which were already answered on the thread or youtube videos and it was getting annoying. I even tell these trolls I gave you a complete run down on what it costs to make a harness. I even tell them if you think this price is to high please consider all the other tools needed to complete the job. A sorry RADIO SHACK soldering iron isn't going to cut it. You need flux you need solder you need a pen torch you need Butane the crimp sleeves. The crimper. Good strippers and snips I have a source for 4mm Bullets that can accept 6-8G wire which allows me to use thicker wire to reduce losses. There is heat shrink. Pre-charge resistors. Fuse holders. and most of all there is the labor anywhere between 2-4 hours. I cut all the wires out for your harness and solder all the parallel connections and then I gotta put bullets on all these damn connections. There is the cost of Andersons and the way Powerwerx does their shipping it forces you to split up the damn order to get your shit in a reasonable time frame for 2-3 day priority with a $20-$25 limit per order or I have to sit and way for 5 day UPS Ground. People don't see the big picture or realize all the behind the scenes stuff it takes to complete a harness.

I'm a real cool dude. I provided tutorials to the community when I thought it was something that needed to be shared. There was even a thread I started when I started doing this asking about different ways to crimp harnesses seems to have picked back up not to long ago. I'm willing to give up the info but some just really approach you the wrong way about. I'm not high and mighty and got my head stuck up my ass. Its either you coming to me for a service and realize that its a premium price or use the info provided and try to wing it yourself. There are faults in my process or improvements than need to be made to the design. I totally understand. You can tear someone down and critique them but you cant do it yourself. You're obviously coming at me for a reason. Im not a Chinese vendor that has their whole family in the garage making this stuff for 50 cents an hour. I do have a life I do have real bills and I have needs that need to be met.

Other things may fuel my bitterness. I filed bankruptcy a few months ago. I'm about to lose my car which I'm like 8-10 payments away from paying off... My wife's car is an 05 in good shape so we do have transportation but still its a kick in the balls for my pride and ego. My income is totally in the crapper. I make 1/3 of what my wife makes. Wonder who wears the pants in this house. I cant find a good first job to match her income like when we first met 5 years ago. I cant find a second part time job for the hours that I want and Im willing to take anything at this point. I haven't rode an ebike in 9 months since my ebike accident. I watch my old videos just to get that rush that pisses me off by the end of the video. Even if I rebuilt i gotta inconvenience my wife and borrow her car just to go out and ride to a local trail or far away trail or to do any urban war driving anywhere and due to health conditions Id rather leave the car with her. Georgia isnt flat and it isn't bike or ebike friendly. Long steep roller coaster type hills I would have to build an insane cromotor rig or 5400 which i don't have the money for and the battery pack needed to navigate through all these hills and be a decent form of transportation would have to be a pretty sic one. I prob need about 3-4 grand to make an entry level pimpin road legal ride that would ultimately have a limited 40m range or take my chances with a cheap Chinese 2k 250cc ride that will give me the distance to have my independence to somehow redeem my manhood. We've scaled back on our budget in the house so much. Internet only Netflix and Hulu and streaming media boxes. Box fan in the windows. Budget billing for electricity. Rice based meals to fill you up like Im a feed the hungry child. My wife is trying to quit smoking using Chantix at like 125 a box plus the cost of cigarettes so we can free the cigarette money up for cash for the household Catch 22 huh. Don't know what a date is like. Cant remember the last movie Ive seen legally in the theater. I feel like I'm on a giant soap box in painted face. At least when last year I would hop on the bike take a nice 40-60 mile long ride and it gave me the will to go on for another few days or a week.

There used to be a time when I was happy to do this.Bumping my thread and twirling my sign like I'm a cash for gold salesman.Ive even thought about selling off my kit and supplies to pass the torch on to someone else. You people a great.You came through so awesomely when I broke my arm. Im still very appreciative of that. But this new crowd that's flocking through here is naive and cheap and we all know the group the repetitive posters the people who beat the dead horse and ask already answered questions.The I'm going to twist these wires that look like lamp cord together and put a wing nut on it crowd so I don't have to pay Icecube his retarded but not so retarded prices prices. I will guide people when I see they are making an honest effort but for those of you I told what to do and you still did your own thing that I am sure will fail all I can do is SMDH We were once all newbs and when we finally got out of that stage we became some of the best contributors. I do appreciate the people that know the value of a dollar.. I give a thumbs up to the DIY that have common sense to follow pictures and directions and build an awesome mock of my harness. I love the pics. Im sorry if offended some of you then again you were probably an offender. Middle Fingers to the people that strung me along asking questions and probing for answers that I gladly answered and I thought it was a sure sale so I ordered your parts just so you could go MIA or back out after I gave you a running parts lists and total just to be left with some wire to make a hangmans noose to get some autoerotic asphyxiation time in. You rock.

Even with the new prices people have come through with many blessing and others I blessed and helped them out by tweaking my prices. I'm still not making a lot from this venture. Its more a volume thing which 1-4 harnesses month isnt saying alot What maybe 60-80 bucks profit. I thought about doing more services like motor hall replacement or phase wire upgrades. Or maybe controller power wire upgrades. Im open to doing new things within my skill set. I thought about the meanwells before the old supply dried up and when I actually did try for a customer I ended up making a fool of myself because I got supplies that were DOA and the vendor was being an ass with the refund and like i said before i don't have the money/capital like some of you to buy a lot of 10 or 20 and do the mods and resell. I may consider doing battery pack bundle and put them in mini ammo cans that can mount to the top tube in a triangle or front forks or something. Everything i think of requires so much up front. I may sub contract under bike shops and try to get repair work or consult on the side for extra income. Id rather do something i like than be a mindless drone worker bee for corporate America.

[Hobbit]

Oh Icecube! You've made about 12 points in your awesome post there but I'd like to say just two things. 1) SO glad you're still here, I got real scared that you had gone away permanently and that would be a massive loss for this community. 2) SO glad that you've switched from "doing it for free" to making a little something out of it. If you're providing some of the best harness's available then damn straight you should be getting money for them.

[staft]

Icecube,
You are a legend. This is one noob who fully intends to commission you to make a harness once I have figured out my first build. Perhaps you can charge a design/consultation fee at the beginning of a project, or accept deposits before you buy materials. You can always credit them towards the job once it is actually paid for, and keep the deposit if they bail on you or are just using your expertise to further their own production. Maybe there is even a market for consultation on the whole build/concept?

I hope life eases up on you. I know too many people in your boat right now, and sometimes its hard to keep smiling. In truth, we are all in that same boat, and the sooner we realize that the better. Hang tough, keep doing what you do best, and please post your site again here.
Steven Taft

[voicecoils]

Keep your head up Ice! You're 2 days away from having spent exactly 4 years registered on the 'sphere & your contributions have really been appreciated.

Charge whatever you need to and let the tire kickers weed themselves out. Whenever you sell something, you've gotta battle with people wasting your time every step of the way.

[kudos]

I'll be making my second order with you Ice in the next few weeks as my new build comes together.

Perhaps if everyone who has been thinking about getting something, all pulls the trigger now, Ice can get some action going.

Cheers,
Kudos

[RallySTX]

I'm relieved to see that you're still kicking ICE. I hope things get better for you soon. The harnesses you built for me are awesome. I can't wait to use them. Best of luck.
Brian L.

[Alan B]

Sorry to hear the problems, glad to hear you are still in there. Set your prices as you need to and do quality work as you have been and it will work out in the long run. You've helped a lot of folks here.

Thanks,

[Trackman417]

I'm a real cool dude

+1
I can attest to that! When I get more money together, I am going to need you to set up a 20s2P harness for me.
Get your soldering iron warmed up and ready to roll.

[chroot]

Heya icecube57-

I glad you are still kicking alive, Sorry hear about your situation problem struggle with the budget and One of my friend might will need your service for his 4s4p x 4 soon once he gets his parts in shipping.

Just ignore the trolls and dont let them get you. We will always here for you. Remember that!

Thanks for the update.

[Kirk]

Hey ice I'm going to be needing another harness in the next month. You know I'm all thumbs. Ya gotta save me pleeeeeeease. Frock the damn trolls, let them buy Lipo and use a car battery charger. We can send out Darwin awards later.

[icecube57]

Two of my latest creations.

[GCinDC]

nice. i always wondered if each lead had to be the same length. or over such short distances does it not matter?

[icecube57]

nice. i always wondered if each lead had to be the same length. or over such short distances does it not matter?

Its short and fat 8G through out. So i dont think in my case it matters. If it was smaller gauge i think losses come into play alot more.

[icecube57]

Im going to start selling 24v Modded Server Power supplies. These are two NPS-700AB in series for 24v 57A. One will be internally DC isolated so the cases can touch without shutting down the units or electricuting you. The units will be heatshrink or taped together. There will also be a fan mod done so that it starts off at a low fan speed and increases as the load increases. The units are adjustable Internally bud Id rather have you tell me the voltage you want and Ill set it for you cause disassembling the unit could fck yp the ground isolation. The power supplies dont have fan gaurds and will chop a finger or cut some skin so I will install one of those on each supply. The (3) 12v outputs will be paralleled 3-12G to 8G. You can run the units in parallel or series. There will be 4mm bullets on the output. If you tell me the voltage I can set the units up to where you can have a custom voltage to bulk charge 6s packs in parallel to . EX 25v gives you 4.16v per cell. You should also be able to power an ICharger or Hyperion Charger to Full Power Charging Specs. Charge current should be around 1400w when bulk charging. You will either have to have a dedicated 20A breaker or figure out a way to run one supply off one outlet and the other supply off a different outlet on a different circuit. This wont be necessary when using RC chargers cause the power supply should draw that much current but bulk charging RC Packs directly the PSU will PULL CURRENT LIKE A DONKEY on ACID and it will possibly trip a regular breaker. I will possibly sell some 1000w setups but this one is the easiest to mod off the shelf.

My suggested cost for the 24v 1400w Power Supply/Charger is about 80$ plus shipping. Considering BMS battery 1200w charger is $139 plus shipping.


I NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE INTRESTED IN OR WHAT?

[Trackman417]

After seeing how terribly out of balance my packs were, it's balance charging all the way.
But it would make everything more idiot proof for me
Long story short, I'm not a big fan of bulk charging, so, no.

[icecube57]

I have a respect for lipo and any battery chemistry. I was parallel charging 12 Lipo pack for my 66v 20AH pack with the same style harness you have even balance charging in parallel. Not sure where your woes are coming from but its not bulk charging. I have done the same thing with Bosch backs and Thunder Sky Batteries.

Lipo isnt for the faint of heart. I had one incident similar to yours and from that point that was the last time and I made sure to moniter and double check before connecting and disconnecting stuff. This bulk charging solution is pretty agressive. Im not afraid of it but Im not going to sell it to a noob. If anything I will keep my pilot power supply and charger for myself and just brag on the raw power. This is mean for large battery setups. Bulk charging also means that you dont charge your pack to full capacity. Actually Dewalt charger rapid charges to 80% and then it slows down for balancing. If you need to steal a quick charge or top of you pack in the same fashion this is an excellet solution. I actually have on customer that when he charges his pack size is 22v @96AH so he would be a perfect candidate for this.

[Xanda2260]

Im going to start selling 24v Modded Server Power supplies. These are two NPS-700AB in series for 24v 57A. One will be internally DC isolated so the cases can touch without shutting down the units or electricuting you. The units will be heatshrink or taped together. There will also be a fan mod done so that it starts off at a low fan speed and increases as the load increases. The units are adjustable Internally bud Id rather have you tell me the voltage you want and Ill set it for you cause disassembling the unit could fck yp the ground isolation. The power supplies dont have fan gaurds and will chop a finger or cut some skin so I will install one of those on each supply. The (3) 12v outputs will be paralleled 3-12G to 8G. You can run the units in parallel or series. There will be 4mm bullets on the output. If you tell me the voltage I can set the units up to where you can have a custom voltage to bulk charge 6s packs in parallel to . EX 25v gives you 4.16v per cell. You should also be able to power an ICharger or Hyperion Charger to Full Power Charging Specs. Charge current should be around 1400w when bulk charging. You will either have to have a dedicated 20A breaker or figure out a way to run one supply off one outlet and the other supply off a different outlet on a different circuit. This wont be necessary when using RC chargers cause the power supply should draw that much current but bulk charging RC Packs directly the PSU will PULL CURRENT LIKE A DONKEY on ACID and it will possibly trip a regular breaker. I will possibly sell some 1000w setups but this one is the easiest to mod off the shelf.

My suggested cost for the 24v 1400w Power Supply/Charger is about 80$ plus shipping. Considering BMS battery 1200w charger is $139 plus shipping.


I NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE INTRESTED IN OR WHAT?

I would defo be interested in a 1000w unit when/if you get round to it. Id like 1400w but my pack is only 2c (1200w)
Keep up the good work fella

[icecube57]

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[icecube57]