new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by john61ct » Jan 02 2022 2:35pm

jordison wrote:Anyone tried /has opinions on this new cyclone kit?
More reliable?
link?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Chalo » Jan 02 2022 5:02pm

If you put more than trifling pedal power through that, it will skip. Less than 120 degrees of sprocket engagement is a recipe for intractable problems.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by jordison » Jan 03 2022 10:08am

I suspect the chain wheel just works as chain guide.

maybe when just pedaling it will skip.

With the motor closer to the bb perhaps it won't twist as much under load.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by minimum » Jan 03 2022 11:52am

From pictures it seems the new kit doesn't have second bracket connecting rear of the motor to BB.
So IMHO they made it worse.

PS. That poor sprocket engagement will only become issue on the "walk of shame" scenario :wink:

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by jordison » Jan 03 2022 4:31pm

they r not that crazy :lol:

there is a clamp on the left side

i think its amazing that after al these years they still use these clamps
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Jan 22 2022 10:48am

Some short clips for inspiration…


Snow riding. If you get the chance try it out.
https://youtu.be/fjj4YqcgLTw

Fresh powder.
https://youtu.be/kn2UsLeizOc

Just short clips I texted to friends.

The cyclone thread is from 2015. Wow how time flies. I see it becoming less popular now, hard to get and keep running all that stuff and there’s better choices like cyc and lightning rods for those who’ve learned to figure it out with the cyclone. But I really like the fatbike ride and tire and was wondering about something like the sur-ron in the snow. I’m not impressed after watching this video below. I really want to get 45nrth wrathchild tires down the road, $250 each ouch. We’ll see. Exploring in the snow is really fun even if it’s the woods down the street from my house.

https://youtu.be/qFxa6tUD2uw

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by pwd » Jan 26 2022 9:23am

Skaiwerd wrote:
Jan 22 2022 10:48am
Some short clips for inspiration…


Snow riding. If you get the chance try it out.
https://youtu.be/fjj4YqcgLTw

Fresh powder.
https://youtu.be/kn2UsLeizOc

Just short clips I texted to friends.

The cyclone thread is from 2015. Wow how time flies. I see it becoming less popular now, hard to get and keep running all that stuff and there’s better choices like cyc and lightning rods for those who’ve learned to figure it out with the cyclone. But I really like the fatbike ride and tire and was wondering about something like the sur-ron in the snow. I’m not impressed after watching this video below. I really want to get 45nrth wrathchild tires down the road, $250 each ouch. We’ll see. Exploring in the snow is really fun even if it’s the woods down the street from my house.

https://youtu.be/qFxa6tUD2uw
I use my Cyclone almost daily for trail riding; including snow and cold temps (currently -29C today). The motor itself is a brute and takes everything I throw at it. I ride with 26 x 4.8 Maxxis Minions and although they aren't really a "snow" tire like many of the 45nrth etc...; they perform great in the snow. The key is to lower your pressure for max float without the rim bottoming out or having too much self steer from the tire.

My max snow depth on that bike is about 20cm and then it's no longer ridable. Many expensive fat bike tires like the wrathchilds you mentioned are also designed to be lightweight; I'd rather have the durability of the Minions + a good tube than less weight. I was also able to stud my front Minion with some Aliexpress studs (see my Blizzard build).
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by SwampDonkey » Jan 29 2022 12:51am

Has anyone tried the "tiny" 200 phase amp controller in a high power application yet? Looks too good to be true.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Mar 27 2022 6:39pm

Just bringing this up in the ranks. Not so easy to get anymore but a lot of us got our start with the cyclone. 60a version here. It’s worth it to start out.

https://youtu.be/7tyO6lUXN2U

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Timalpipo » Apr 13 2022 3:00am

Hi Everyone, It is always a pleasure to read your experiences. I was thinking of filling my motor/gearbox with Automatic transmission oil. ( 30% of the volume left empty) so that could benefit to the cooling and to the noise of the gears. What do you guys think :)

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by DingusMcGee » Apr 13 2022 5:12am

Overheating? Likely the heat comes from the where the wiring is in the motor and not the planetary gear box. ATF? Try it. Maybe the seals will hold it? Get a bigger motor if this one gets hot. Add some thermocouples to some locations on the motor and test.

The noise location?? Maybe before you condemn the gearbox & grease invest in sound intensity meter? Then you can measure sound intensity (generation) at the gearbox and at the dual sprocket bottom bracket hub.

I just had an unmounted Cyclone 3k motor with gearbox housing in place & OEM grease running on the bench -- very quiet.

I have a sound intensity meter and have used it on several bikes with Cyclone 3k motors. The preponderance of noise comes from the location where the 2 chain drives meet on the BB axle.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by forcefed » May 07 2022 4:19pm

jordison wrote:
Jan 03 2022 4:31pm
they r not that crazy :lol:

there is a clamp on the left side

i think its amazing that after al these years they still use these clamps
Lol what the hell is that... budget cuts? Why didn't they go with cardboard. I can only imagine the flex :shock:

I'm fortunate enough to have a prototype of a heavy duty bracket made by sickbikeparts, don't mind the zip tie to downtube connection... it gave up pretty quickly lol, replaced it with u-bolt, its rock solid now.
Sadly after looking at their site it seems they gave up on the cyclone3k and most likely this bracket.
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