new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by DingusMcGee » Nov 05 2021 7:36am

Marks,

Try McMaster Carr. Here is their link to spacers and standoffs:

https://www.mcmaster.com/spacers/

Here is the link to long up to 200 mm 6mm Allen head bolts

https://www.mcmaster.com/screws/socket- ... d-size~m6/

If things are a bit too long? Grind 'me to length.

I like those tangs you made to gain length.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by markz » Nov 05 2021 1:35pm

I ran over to HD and they didn't have any 6mm bolts long enough, longest was 55 so ran over to CT and they had up to 1.00 x 65 which I bought but its really 70mm thats needed. Installed nice, two bolt jobby for a spacer worked nice. I am off by a hair so I will add a washer.

I got it all mounted mounted this morning.
I got lucky, those brackets had to be reversed and holes opened up a tad, using the two closest holes I originally used for the mounting bracket, one is now for motor the other is for bracket and a long tab hanging off the end.

I moved the bracket bolts to the inside (closest to bb)

There was to much not lining up having it the way I had it at first/the other way (for wider bb) and would have to take 20 minutes to make new metal tabs as there was much more space to fill.

I have a 7-8spd Clarks chain that aint lining up, and I dont have or want to use a tensioner so I hope a single speed chain will do the trick to have the chain tight.

Well I either pedal my way to the bike store and grab an expensive single speed chain, hit up crappy tire in the opposite direction or sacrifice a $5 Clarks chain and hope it doesnt slip which I won't do because I know it will slip and chew up the motor gear.
$17 Generic Supercycle CT
$17 SRAM at MEC
$17 Local bike store SRAM
Well its downhill to the train, then 2 blocks to CT or 4 blocks to MEC and 8 blocks and a hill to get to local bike store.

Choices choices choices, so tuff.

The last thing is I wonder if it really makes a differece if I switch up the tooth count on the motor side and the crank motor side. 14T - 48 currently, I think they sell a 13 motor gear. I do want lots of torque though. Expensive to switch it up for me, $10 gears, $60 shipping.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by markz » Nov 05 2021 2:09pm

Nuts work fine for a spacer, I think I said bolts before.... I meant nuts when it comes to spacers I used.
Mine have a little wiggle but fine on the hex, low grade 8.8, 6mmx1.00pitchx65length with half threads.
Have to get matching allen black coated 70 length.

It's good to have a source for spacers if I want black spacers to match the black motor and black crank and dark bicycle frame. Hopefully McMaster Carr is shipping to Canada, years ago they didnt. I'm not big on aesthetic's, people are calling on me to buy new clothing as mine are baggy and I could really care less. Why would I buy new clothing when I am continuing to lose weight, another 45lbs to go, be spending double the money.

Yeah, thankfully those tangs helped out even when I turned it around the holes lined up.
I just need to cut off the excess.

Lots of cheap single speed chains from Chain Reaction Cycle.
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ca/ ... t=pricelow
Some 1spd chains are listed as narrow (3/32), others wide (1/8)
https://www.mtbr.com/threads/1-8-chain- ... ad.497271/
Luna's gears probably 3/32, Eric's website dont say.
Doesnt look like it matters
https://www.mtbr.com/threads/1-8-chain- ... ad.497271/

It all went pretty smooth, 2 days of working on it with a few hrs of actually working on it and a few hrs of travel by stinky, dirty peasant limo aka the bus.

For 68mm bottom bracket. Bolt length without the head are as follows
6mm x 1.00 x 70mm are the bolts for the bent bracket with spacers on the DS.
6mm x 1.00 x 25mm are the smaller bolts for the motor back cover NDS.
6mm x 1.00 x 55mm are the non bracket DS motor gear side.
**I noticed the tapered bolt heads (Martini glass shape as the parts counter lady said) are measured differently, as the taper goes in a bit without using a washer. I see no intereference issues with normal box head so I dont know why Luna sends theirs with a tapered head in their Cyclone 3000W install video.



DingusMcGee wrote:
Nov 05 2021 7:36am
Try McMaster Carr. Here is their link to spacers and standoffs:
https://www.mcmaster.com/spacers/
Here is the link to long up to 200 mm 6mm Allen head bolts
https://www.mcmaster.com/screws/socket- ... d-size~m6/
If things are a bit too long? Grind 'me to length.
I like those tangs you made to gain length.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Brandon122603 » Nov 05 2021 7:19pm

I'm connecting the 80amp bluetooth controller for the 6kw motor and have no idea where to connect these few things:
the high brake, which comes off the throttle with one wire
the low brake which has 3 wires
the phase line meter
the soft\quick start(does it connect to itself?)
the speed limiting(cennect to itself?)
the manual cruise
and a random unmarked white wire

Where would I connect a 3 wire PAS...the reverse and anti theft i figure i wont use. I also cant connect to the app, the LangLing app closes as soon as i try to connect and the cyclone app wont connect wihout the other i assume as it wont recognise the controller at all.
i was able to get the motor to work without being connected to the app but would like to be able to adjust settings.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by markz » Nov 05 2021 8:15pm

Sorry I had to delete my ramblings.

I ordered two items that will be delivered tomorrow which is really today since I am editing the post at 4am.

A wide red plastic chain roller that is about 4x wider then my chain and a chain roller with spring and mount which is 2-2.2x larger then my 7-8 speed chain.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by electric_nz » Nov 21 2021 10:21pm

Anyone have a recommendation for a durable 8 speed cluster? The cheapest Shimano and SRAM ones don’t last long (unsurprisingly)

7 speed ones seem to be much more rugged somehow?

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Post by Skaiwerd » Nov 23 2021 7:55pm

I’ve seen box as an option for new bike builds, not 8 speed but the name is out there it’s a new option to shimano or sram. I don’t know first hand the quality, but this distributor for the cyc set up “electrifybike” seems to hype them up well for Ebike use. Box two and three have replaceable gears it appears.

https://www.electrifybike.com/collectio ... ain-bundle
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Dec 16 2021 5:08pm

I’m not seeing the cyclone kits sold by Luna Cycle or Sick Bike Parts right now, the two USA suppliers. I hope this isn’t permanent, but it could be. I may be headed in a different direction than another cyclone unless it’s the coaxial that would come from Taiwan directly anyway. I’d probably head toward the cyc regular but wait for version 3. Or use a qs motor 1000 watt and Nuclear 12f and try adjustable regenerative breaking, maybe left hand drive, i already have the motor and controller.
The cast fatbike wheels finally came in the mail. When it takes four months you’ve gotten a refund so they were free in the end. Same thing happed with the bike. Cheap as I could find fatbike with a steel frame. $305 with shipping. Turned out to be a sketchy website, sold women's shoes mostly, read bad reviews, about shoe orders, all I could find but I thought I was scammed. Three months later the bike shows up. PayPal refunded me a month earlier. Hugh.
The fluted shape to the hub looks ideal for a chain ring adapter, used with spacers. The wheels are pretty neat and true enough and use sealed cartridge bearings! I’m working on swapping out the bearings from the typical 3/8” axel and replacing them to use a 12mm one! No more bent axels. Sadly the rim is only offered in freewheel not cassette versions. I go single speed mostly anyway and taking the motor power off the freewheel I should be ok.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by calab » Dec 19 2021 2:29am

I am confused and trying to confirm the shaft on the cyclone 3000w mid drive motor for the gear that slide on and bolts tight all I found was the shaft is most likely 20mm shaft with a 6mm keyway. I found an adapter that I can use a freewheel gear on but I can't find any #25 gears I must be thinking of things wrongly.

I dont have the cyclone motor this is what I found which slides on to the motor, lock its bolts and twist on a single freewheel gear which is real useful it's title 20mm ID x .9" wide, 2 set screws, 6mm keyway, Freewheel Sprocket Adaptor https://www.staton-inc.com/store/index. ... ct&id=1927 it uses freewheel sprockets size 1.37 x 24 TPI OD right hand threads which I havent been able to find. Where do I find #25 freewheel gears to spin onto the freewheel sprocket adapter?
Been looking and looking on the Staton website but I must be missing it.
https://www.staton-inc.com/store/index. ... nt=45&pg=1

This looks promising but its only 16T https://www.electricscooterparts.com/sp ... wheel.html
Rear Wheel Freewheel Clutch (Right Side)
Electric bicycle freewheel clutch mechanism for right hand side chains. Freewheel engages in the right-hand clockwise direction. Compatible with freewheel to axle adapters old below. 3-1/16" OD x 1-5/16" ID. Works with 2-1/8" (54mm) ID chain sprockets with four bolt mounting pattern. This freewheel has 16 teeth and also works with standard single speed 1/2"x1/8" (#410) bicycle chain. Fits 1.375" OD bicycle threaded wheel hubs. 1-5/16" ID. 1.375" x 24 TPI right-hand clockwise threads. F4 sprocket mounting pattern.
Item # FWM-180
Staton here has lots of different toothed sprockets, but I cant find them on their website.
https://www.staton-inc.com/store/index. ... ct&id=1930
They are all 1/2 teeth, #25 is 1/4 or am I again missing the obvious?
https://www.staton-inc.com/store/index. ... ct&id=2114



I might be shit out of luck to switch the current wheel sprocket #25 55T 1-5/16 3 bolt BCD to something else, like using the stock Cyclone motor freewheel sprocket using bicycle chain or just drill the holes out on a bicycle sprocket to attach to the 200x50 (8x2") wheel. This is not a bicycle application I am doing, its a Razor E200.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Calab






I like your frame, the cast wheel is something to get used to.
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I’m not seeing the cyclone kits sold by Luna Cycle or Sick Bike Parts right now, the two USA suppliers. I hope this isn’t permanent, but it could be. I may be headed in a different direction than another cyclone unless it’s the coaxial that would come from Taiwan directly anyway. I’d probably head toward the cyc regular but wait for version 3. Or use a qs motor 1000 watt and Nuclear 12f and try adjustable regenerative breaking, maybe left hand drive, i already have the motor and controller.
The cast fatbike wheels finally came in the mail. When it takes four months you’ve gotten a refund so they were free in the end. Same thing happed with the bike. Cheap as I could find fatbike with a steel frame. $305 with shipping. Turned out to be a sketchy website, sold women's shoes mostly, read bad reviews, about shoe orders, all I could find but I thought I was scammed. Three months later the bike shows up. PayPal refunded me a month earlier. Hugh.
The fluted shape to the hub looks ideal for a chain ring adapter, used with spacers. The wheels are pretty neat and true enough and use sealed cartridge bearings! I’m working on swapping out the bearings from the typical 3/8” axel and replacing them to use a 12mm one! No more bent axels. Sadly the rim is only offered in freewheel not cassette versions. I go single speed mostly anyway and taking the motor power off the freewheel I should be ok.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Dec 19 2021 8:53am

Calab

I’ve used electric scooter parts with good luck. For me they have the metric freewheels in 1mm pitch by 35mm that I’m starting to see a lot of. Also left hand drive freewheels are available.
https://electricscooterparts.com/freewheelclutches.html

Have you checked with Luna Cycle and Sick Bike Parts?

What should I expect from the cast wheels ride wise? These DIY contraptions really have nothing to compare them to, right? But we can make assumptions of the individual components I think.

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Post by Skaiwerd » Dec 21 2021 6:02pm

As Chalo has previously stated I had problems with freewheels. I striped the aluminum (maybe?) rear wheel on the first ride. I had to improvise or I had an unusable wheel on a pedal bike. I still know the remaining weak points being the axel and the freewheel itself. Some good news the after fix ride in the dark was great and a little scary. This machine has been unrideable since August when it needed a new rear wheel which was stock pressed sheet metal looking hubs and loose ball bearings, you know low end. The other good news is that with the purchase of non standard size replacement sealed bearings the wheel can be switched over to 12mm for its axel. This may not happen to this bike but the next one for sure.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Dec 21 2021 7:06pm

Skaiwerd wrote:
Dec 21 2021 6:02pm
As Chalo has previously stated I had problems with freewheels. I stripped the aluminum (maybe?) rear wheel on the first ride. I had to improvise or I had an unusable wheel on a pedal bike. I still know the remaining weak points being the axel and the freewheel itself. Some good news the after fix ride in the dark was great and a little scary. This machine has been unrideable since August when it needed a new rear wheel which was stock pressed sheet metal looking hubs and loose ball bearings, you know low end. The other good news is that with the purchase of non standard size replacement sealed bearings the wheel can be switched over to 12mm for its axel. This may not happen to this bike but the next one for sure.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by jordison » Jan 02 2022 6:16am

Anyone tried /has opinions on this new cyclone kit?
More reliable?
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Post by john61ct » Jan 02 2022 2:35pm

jordison wrote:Anyone tried /has opinions on this new cyclone kit?
More reliable?
link?

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Post by Chalo » Jan 02 2022 5:02pm

If you put more than trifling pedal power through that, it will skip. Less than 120 degrees of sprocket engagement is a recipe for intractable problems.
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Post by jordison » Jan 03 2022 10:08am

I suspect the chain wheel just works as chain guide.

maybe when just pedaling it will skip.

With the motor closer to the bb perhaps it won't twist as much under load.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by minimum » Jan 03 2022 11:52am

From pictures it seems the new kit doesn't have second bracket connecting rear of the motor to BB.
So IMHO they made it worse.

PS. That poor sprocket engagement will only become issue on the "walk of shame" scenario :wink:

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Post by jordison » Jan 03 2022 4:31pm

they r not that crazy :lol:

there is a clamp on the left side

i think its amazing that after al these years they still use these clamps
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Post by Skaiwerd » Jan 22 2022 10:48am

Some short clips for inspiration…


Snow riding. If you get the chance try it out.
https://youtu.be/fjj4YqcgLTw

Fresh powder.
https://youtu.be/kn2UsLeizOc

Just short clips I texted to friends.

The cyclone thread is from 2015. Wow how time flies. I see it becoming less popular now, hard to get and keep running all that stuff and there’s better choices like cyc and lightning rods for those who’ve learned to figure it out with the cyclone. But I really like the fatbike ride and tire and was wondering about something like the sur-ron in the snow. I’m not impressed after watching this video below. I really want to get 45nrth wrathchild tires down the road, $250 each ouch. We’ll see. Exploring in the snow is really fun even if it’s the woods down the street from my house.

https://youtu.be/qFxa6tUD2uw

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Post by pwd » Jan 26 2022 9:23am

Skaiwerd wrote:
Jan 22 2022 10:48am
Some short clips for inspiration…


Snow riding. If you get the chance try it out.
https://youtu.be/fjj4YqcgLTw

Fresh powder.
https://youtu.be/kn2UsLeizOc

Just short clips I texted to friends.

The cyclone thread is from 2015. Wow how time flies. I see it becoming less popular now, hard to get and keep running all that stuff and there’s better choices like cyc and lightning rods for those who’ve learned to figure it out with the cyclone. But I really like the fatbike ride and tire and was wondering about something like the sur-ron in the snow. I’m not impressed after watching this video below. I really want to get 45nrth wrathchild tires down the road, $250 each ouch. We’ll see. Exploring in the snow is really fun even if it’s the woods down the street from my house.

https://youtu.be/qFxa6tUD2uw
I use my Cyclone almost daily for trail riding; including snow and cold temps (currently -29C today). The motor itself is a brute and takes everything I throw at it. I ride with 26 x 4.8 Maxxis Minions and although they aren't really a "snow" tire like many of the 45nrth etc...; they perform great in the snow. The key is to lower your pressure for max float without the rim bottoming out or having too much self steer from the tire.

My max snow depth on that bike is about 20cm and then it's no longer ridable. Many expensive fat bike tires like the wrathchilds you mentioned are also designed to be lightweight; I'd rather have the durability of the Minions + a good tube than less weight. I was also able to stud my front Minion with some Aliexpress studs (see my Blizzard build).
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by SwampDonkey » Jan 29 2022 12:51am

Has anyone tried the "tiny" 200 phase amp controller in a high power application yet? Looks too good to be true.

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Post by Skaiwerd » Mar 27 2022 6:39pm

Just bringing this up in the ranks. Not so easy to get anymore but a lot of us got our start with the cyclone. 60a version here. It’s worth it to start out.

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Post by Timalpipo » Apr 13 2022 3:00am

Hi Everyone, It is always a pleasure to read your experiences. I was thinking of filling my motor/gearbox with Automatic transmission oil. ( 30% of the volume left empty) so that could benefit to the cooling and to the noise of the gears. What do you guys think :)

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by DingusMcGee » Apr 13 2022 5:12am

Overheating? Likely the heat comes from the where the wiring is in the motor and not the planetary gear box. ATF? Try it. Maybe the seals will hold it? Get a bigger motor if this one gets hot. Add some thermocouples to some locations on the motor and test.

The noise location?? Maybe before you condemn the gearbox & grease invest in sound intensity meter? Then you can measure sound intensity (generation) at the gearbox and at the dual sprocket bottom bracket hub.

I just had an unmounted Cyclone 3k motor with gearbox housing in place & OEM grease running on the bench -- very quiet.

I have a sound intensity meter and have used it on several bikes with Cyclone 3k motors. The preponderance of noise comes from the location where the 2 chain drives meet on the BB axle.

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