New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

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New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jun 10 2021 2:17pm

Just purchased a new Razor Ecosmart SUP electric scooter. This is a newish model from razor similar to their older ecosmart metro, but with a hub motor and no seat. Its a pretty awesome ride with giant 16inch wheels and wide deck. I purchased it knowing i would want to modify it for more power/speed and longer range. At 36 volts, the motor produces negligible heat even while going up hill, so I want to over drive it to 60v. From what I can tell a 60v 20ah battery should fit with plenty of room to spare in the battery compartment.

The worst thing about the scooter and the first thing I will be replacing is the brake system. The factory belt/drum brake is horrible, its got plenty of stopping power but its veryyy grabby and will lockup the rear wheel. I have tried adjusting it with little to no success. The rear part of the frame has holes that look like they are specifically designed for disc brake calipers but I will have to fabricate something to mount the disc to the wheel.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a cost effective 60volt brushless controller? I also would like some recommendations for 60volt 20ah batteries.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by BigBlock » Jun 14 2021 7:15am

it all depends from how many Amps you are able to put on your motor. Are you sure it can run @ 60V ?
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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jun 22 2021 4:13pm

I think it will be able to handle it but, if it becomes a problem I have some ideas for cooling the motor, it that is not enough then I will look into rewinding or even a new motor.

So far I have upgraded the throttle, the stock twist throttle was a PITA, I went to a thumb throttle, but I'm not sure how much i like it yet. I also put some better MTB style lock on grips on the handle bars. And I was able to upgrade the brake to mechanical disc, but again I don't know how much better it is, I think hydraulic brakes will be much better.

I'm still looking for a good 60v battery, and brushless controller. Please feel free to offer any suggestions for either.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 01 2022 6:35am

How did you mount the disk to the hub motor?

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jan 24 2022 1:30pm

Skippo wrote:
Jan 01 2022 6:35am
How did you mount the disk to the hub motor?
Actually I found a part on Amazon that works perfectly. It replaces the stock drum and allows you to bolt a disc on. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XTM3S7W?re ... b_ap_share

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jan 24 2022 1:45pm

60v conversion completed

So I just finished upgrade if my scooter from 36v to 60v. I used one of the higher rated Chinese 60v 20ah lithium battery packs from unit pack power:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CDLJQS3/re ... UTF8&psc=1
For the controller I opted for a Kelly Kls-7212n
The surprising part is how well the battery fits in the chassis. The height and width are a perfect for the cassis. Even the controller fits perfectly:
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The stock motor on 60v absolutely rips. The phase wires are probably a little on the thin side for the allot of amps I’m pushing now. I’ll take a look at replacing them this weekend with thicker gauge wiring.

I found out that my problem I was having with the brakes was caused by a delayed regen braking that the stock controller was doing when I hit the brakes. It would start regen about half a second after I pulled the brake lever which would often lead to locking up the rear wheel.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 24 2022 5:42pm

Skippo wrote:
Jan 01 2022 6:35am
How did you mount the disk to the hub motor?
I was trying to do that. But having a hell of a time getting the drum off. Spraying penetrating oil, heating, hose clamp with hammer, even added a long angle iron still couldn't get it off. Any tips
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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 24 2022 5:44pm

That is very cool. Good job.
Did know the stock hub can handle that much power. And they are cheap too.
Any pictures? Worth a thousand words :lol:
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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 24 2022 5:49pm

I added front brake to my e200. About to do the same for the ecosmart metro.
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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jan 24 2022 9:43pm

Skippo wrote:
Jan 24 2022 5:42pm
Skippo wrote:
Jan 01 2022 6:35am
How did you mount the disk to the hub motor?
I was trying to do that. But having a hell of a time getting the drum off. Spraying penetrating oil, heating, hose clamp with hammer, even added a long angle iron still couldn't get it off. Any tips
Something like a slide hammer hooked into the holes on the drum would work. I don’t have a slide hammer so I took a piece of scrap angle iron and ground a hook into one of the corners and hit it with a 3lb sledgehammer, while the wheel was clamped onto a table.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 25 2022 12:56am

Thanks got it off now. I feel so dumb now. My set up is all good. Just not using a heavy enough hammer :idea: . Borrow a sledge from my neighbor. And 1 hit it came loose.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jan 25 2022 12:18pm

Skippo wrote:
Jan 24 2022 5:49pm
I added front brake to my e200. About to do the same for the ecosmart metro.
Yeah i thought about adding a brake like that but now that I figured out the issue with the delayed regen breaking I’m much happier with just the rear brake. Plus I feel like I’m more likely to go over the handle bars on a standup scooter during a panic brake. I do however want to upgrade to a good hydraulic rear brake.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 25 2022 2:53pm

Check out this video.
Maybe a bigger disc is better way to go.
Or do both hydraulic and bigger disc.
https://youtu.be/FJe99BjV8bM

I want to try out one of these dual pull brake lever.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Alloy-Du ... B00L2PS3I8
Maybe I can get it to pull rear to front brake in order

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Jan 25 2022 11:54pm

Yes for raw breaking performance bigger rotors are the way to go. But for me it’s less about breaking power, the crappy mech brakes I have can lock up the rear wheel, and more about brake feel. A good hydraulic brake system just has a better feel, is more controllable, and not all that much more expensive.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by Skippo » Jan 26 2022 1:17am

Ic. Do share your though after the up grade. My metro don't have the bracket ready for the caliper so I will have to get one weld on. I will have to look for one too.
Can you share a picture of how you dropout look like from the caliper side.

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Re: New Razor EcoSmart SUP, upgrade recommendations?

Post by AWDDude » Feb 01 2022 3:47pm

I love the upgrades. It has enough power to get me up any hill here in my town, and the range is quite impressive. I took it on a 16 mile ride this weekend and my estimates are that it was about 1/3 drained. I wasn’t full throttle, but I stayed at 15-20 mph the entire time. Max speed seems to be about 25mph.

As requested here are some pics of the rear brake.
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