ZeroEm
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California ends ICE by 2035
Will they do it? Can they go all electric or just 90%.
Will they do it? Can they go all electric or just 90%.
United States Ends ICE
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Trucks have until 2045, IIRC.
ZeroEm
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Progress ends ICE.
Solar+battery+autonomous = 10X cheaper transportation. As soon as that happens it will be a steep adoption curve. We'll be half done converting to service-on-demand autonomous in 5 years and completely done by 2030.
Most of what trucks do now will be done by smaller autonomous vehicles if the load can be broken down. Maintaining roads for heavy trucks is more expensive than using more, smaller vehicles. Large loads will be done using a platform carried by many small motive-traction undercarriages. If there are ever any electric semi tractor-trailer trucks made, they won't be around for long.
Autonomous vehicles will end electric range anxiety. The refuel station will dock while you're moving, or will transfer your private coach onto a fresh service-on-demand undercarriage. Electric aircraft will stay in the air until destination by using autonomous in-the-air refuel docking.
New housing will be developed utilizing autonomous vehicles for all the utilities, instead of putting semi-permanent lines underground. Existing underground utilities will be abandoned instead of fixed.
All this, or something better, will happen in the next 10 years. Hold on to your hats.
Solar+battery+autonomous = 10X cheaper transportation. As soon as that happens it will be a steep adoption curve. We'll be half done converting to service-on-demand autonomous in 5 years and completely done by 2030.
Most of what trucks do now will be done by smaller autonomous vehicles if the load can be broken down. Maintaining roads for heavy trucks is more expensive than using more, smaller vehicles. Large loads will be done using a platform carried by many small motive-traction undercarriages. If there are ever any electric semi tractor-trailer trucks made, they won't be around for long.
Autonomous vehicles will end electric range anxiety. The refuel station will dock while you're moving, or will transfer your private coach onto a fresh service-on-demand undercarriage. Electric aircraft will stay in the air until destination by using autonomous in-the-air refuel docking.
New housing will be developed utilizing autonomous vehicles for all the utilities, instead of putting semi-permanent lines underground. Existing underground utilities will be abandoned instead of fixed.
All this, or something better, will happen in the next 10 years. Hold on to your hats.
markz
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By 2035 the masses would have left California by then, and lots more fires and a major water shortage.
Hillhater
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Nowhere has anything close to this been stated !
And ..NO Ca will not be able to do it either .
And ..NO Ca will not be able to do it either .
Dauntless
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First of all, no. Nothing is official. The currently at risk Grewsome said he wanted it. There's a way to go from that and he personally might not be there much longer.
Meanwhile there's been CARB, etc., Let's just say up to things in the past and all has been reversed. The only thing this effort has going for it is the first time there's been real alternatives.
Time will tell. Man, what will the world be like in 2035? That seems like a huge consideration.
Meanwhile there's been CARB, etc., Let's just say up to things in the past and all has been reversed. The only thing this effort has going for it is the first time there's been real alternatives.
Time will tell. Man, what will the world be like in 2035? That seems like a huge consideration.
ZeroEm
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These will be the next States and Washington D.C to follow Banning emission's
The current Senate and administration tried to roll back standards, so get rid of the engines.
This was in mid July and I missed it. When you live in Texas (Iron Curtain) people don't talk about this.
The current Senate and administration tried to roll back standards, so get rid of the engines.
This was in mid July and I missed it. When you live in Texas (Iron Curtain) people don't talk about this.
By Sean O'Kane Jul 14, 2020, 4:04pm EDT
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That looks like a very misleading chart. I'm not sure what it's telling me or what is actually measured. If it's a simple total CO2 by state, then all it tells me is Texas does more manufacturing than Washington D.C., and that would have been a given for me.
JackFlorey
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Excellent! All the complainers will leave. Traffic will decline and housing prices will go down. We'll be surfing while the miserati are sitting in 125F heat in Phoenix complaining about evil California.markz said:
Hillhater
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That seems to refer only to heavy vehicles ,..no mention of cars....not even diesel ones ?ZeroEm said:
And it will be interesting to see how those farming States deal with their Agricultural machinery..tractors , harvestors, etc
Lets see how this pans out ? :wink:
ZeroEm
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Road traffic, nothing about off road or machines.
JackFlorey
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No, it will get watered down like every other EV mandate did.ZeroEm said:
They will compromise on something a little more reasonable, like "no vehicles with solely gasoline engines" by 2040 or something. Which is fine; it accomplishes the goal of reducing fossil fuel usage without mandating EV's (which is a dumb idea IMO.)
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Single biggest thing is to drop the speed limit down across the US.
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California "petrol" dirt bike, ATV ban 2035 :
"that would ban the sale of new gas and diesel burning passenger cars and trucks, as well as all off-road vehicles, which includes dirt bikes, side-by-sides and ATVs by the year 2035..."
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/california-dirt-bike-ban-2035/
"that would ban the sale of new gas and diesel burning passenger cars and trucks, as well as all off-road vehicles, which includes dirt bikes, side-by-sides and ATVs by the year 2035..."
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/california-dirt-bike-ban-2035/
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markz
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Couldnt you just head to another state, buy your new vehicle and drive it in Cali, or would you not be able to plate it in Cali?
I've heard of truck drivers doing that because of cali's restrictions, truck drivers are even buying so called new trucks, but are retrofitted under an aged VIN #.
I've heard of truck drivers doing that because of cali's restrictions, truck drivers are even buying so called new trucks, but are retrofitted under an aged VIN #.
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in the short term maybe.. but longer term becomes less likely.. as Texas dictates national school book curriculum so does California dictate national vehicle emissions standards?.. monkey see monkey do??
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At some stage down the track, technology limitations, and financial realism will force a practical , workable compromise to these idealistic agendas.
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Most here are more aware of the limitations of EV's at the moment. Have always wanted a move toward electric, think it is more reasonable to start with cities and the shorter distance's. 90% can use an EV, this would put hardship on the other 10%. Need a waver or something, prove that your driving is farther than current EV's abilities.
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and how about goods transport, shipping and air travel.. hydrogen/electric drive, from renewable resources.. everything doesn't have to be battery powered, just zero or low emissions (in use)..
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......i guess you missed my previous comment regarding idealism, and practical results ?...efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
Hydrogen from renewables is simply not viable as a practical, workable, or financially justifiable solution as a vehicle fuelHillhater said:
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Airbus, BMW etc seem to think hydrogen is feasible.. and they have the billions, foresight and vision to make it reality?? either way, can not stop progression of energy and transport.. (only temporary slow via $$$ lobbying politicians
reference:
https://electrek.co/2020/09/21/airbus-hydrogen-net-zero-concept-aircraft-2035/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/09/16/daimler-shows-off-long-range-hydrogen-semi-new-battery-truck-amid-nikola-uproar/
https://www.barrons.com/articles/goldman-sachs-says-so-called-green-hydrogen-will-become-a-12-trillion-market-heres-how-to-play-it-51600860476
reference:
https://electrek.co/2020/09/21/airbus-hydrogen-net-zero-concept-aircraft-2035/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2020/09/16/daimler-shows-off-long-range-hydrogen-semi-new-battery-truck-amid-nikola-uproar/
https://www.barrons.com/articles/goldman-sachs-says-so-called-green-hydrogen-will-become-a-12-trillion-market-heres-how-to-play-it-51600860476
ZeroEm
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Anyone know of any cheap fuelcells.
Hillhater
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Most of these articles are just PR spin for the media to present a “green” appearance for public consumption.efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
If Airbus actually switched on their calculators, they might look for another option
ONE of H2’s little problems is its ENERGY DENSITY.
Even at 700 bar ( thats 10,000 psi !) compression , its energy density is only 5MJ/L ..whilst aero fuel is 35NJ?L
So Airbus will need 7x the tank capacity (in some kind of huge high pressure vessel ?).. to get a similar fuel load..
Of course they might consider LIQUID H2, for less volume..( but still 3-4 times that for aero fuel !). ..and they would then need cyrogenic level storage tanks !
...that IF someone can develop a gas turbine to run at all on H2 ( not done to date !)
.. then we have not even considered ground storage systems and transportation from the H2 plants ( big issues there !)
No, H2 powered aircraft are a distant dream/nightmmare !
Or efficient ?ZeroEm said:
..or cheap/efficient Electrolisers for producing H2 ?
..or cheap (unsubsidised ) RE electricity to feed the H2 industry ?
..or cheap/ efficient methods of storage and transport ?
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maybe start smaller?. such as terrestrial and on and island.. better off producing energy local than importing it???
https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/halcyon-power-new-zealands-first-carbon-free-hydrogen-production-facility/
https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/halcyon-power-new-zealands-first-carbon-free-hydrogen-production-facility/
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