GNG / CYC X1 Pro 3000w

endrew said:
OK, Thanks!
Id like to hear from your experience if that's actually the case?
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Yes, some people use asi bac2000 and other 80a+ controllers on it.
 
CYC has informed me that the black 72v torque sense version will be shipped soon, the version I'm getting. I can't wait to post progress pics of my build for you guys, I have a cycle analyst 3 installed so I'll be tuning optimal settings for that to make up for the weaknesses in the beta app. Here are some of the pictures they sent me:

Also, it appears they traded the dreaded clamp for a proper strap. If anyone else has gotten feedback of a estimated shipping date I'd appreciate it being posted:

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CYC has informed me that the black 72v torque sense version will be shipped soon, the version I'm getting. I can't wait to post progress pics of my build for you guys, I have a cycle analyst 3 installed so I'll be tuning optimal settings for that to make up for the weaknesses in the beta app. Here are some of the pictures they sent me:
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Woah that's beautiful! Please post more pics when you do get your hands on it. Do you know the correct Cycle Analyst values for the temperature sensor in these things?

I think these motors can be pushed as hard as the Tangent, just need to keep an eye on the temps. The CYC motor/gearbox produces incredibly little heat compared to that kit (which is basically a stove). It's also less noisy.
 
Looks like the freewheel now runs directly on the bottom bracket, hopefully that takes care of the wobble which is plaguing all of this style of mid-drive.
Although unless my eyes deceive me, the cranks are now square taper.
 
jdev said:
CYC has informed me that the black 72v torque sense version will be shipped soon, the version I'm getting. I can't wait to post progress pics of my build for you guys, I have a cycle analyst 3 installed so I'll be tuning optimal settings for that to make up for the weaknesses in the beta app. Here are some of the pictures they sent me:
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Is that the BB92 press fit version? Interested to see how well that works.
More interested in the torque sensor. I don't see any wires or indication that it's measuring torque at the BB or crank.
 
PaulD said:
Is that the BB92 press fit version? Interested to see how well that works.
More interested in the torque sensor. I don't see any wires or indication that it's measuring torque at the BB or crank.
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It does look like the pressfit torque sensing version since it looks identical to the one in their last facebook post. Torque sensor is built internally, no hole required to be drilled in frame like other torque sensors, I'm just not sure how they're going to connect it electronically.
 
Wow, I like the new kit in all black, with the torque sensing bb. I run my bike in motorcycle mode the whole time at the moment. The gear sensor adaptation is what I need for realistic PAS riding, but I'd prefer the torque sensor over that any day. I can't stop pedaling to change gears (to trip the PAS sensor for motor cut-off), not intuitive at all, coming from the non-motor cycling world. Without the gear sensor, that's what I would have to do, and it's not going to work for me.
 
Does anyone have one of these AND a mini cyclone? They're essentially the same size and technology. It would be nice to compare motors, gears, noise, performance, etc.
 
hypertoric_amplituhedron said:
Wow, I like the new kit in all black, with the torque sensing bb. I run my bike in motorcycle mode the whole time at the moment. The gear sensor adaptation is what I need for realistic PAS riding, but I'd prefer the torque sensor over that any day. I can't stop pedaling to change gears (to trip the PAS sensor for motor cut-off), not intuitive at all, coming from the non-motor cycling world. Without the gear sensor, that's what I would have to do, and it's not going to work for me.
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Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how to change gears on mine without crunching.... I guess slow down pedaling enough so that the PAS stops? It is strange...
 
aCeMadMod said:
Hi you asking for alot poted vs unpoted. Motors

I am no pro i would take unpoted motor . I can mod it


Best of luck
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Potted motors can run much cooler. Typically motors are potted wit high thermally conductive epoxy. I KNOW people are going to try running 10,000W through these poor things. Im one of them lol. We're going to see how they hold up compared to cyclones and even the God of mid drives, the Ascent.
 
SwampDonkey said:
aCeMadMod said:
Hi you asking for alot poted vs unpoted. Motors

I am no pro i would take unpoted motor . I can mod it


Best of luck
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Potted motors can run much cooler. Typically motors are potted wit high thermally conductive epoxy. I KNOW people are going to try running 10,000W through these poor things. Im one of them lol. We're going to see how they hold up compared to cyclones and even the God of mid drives, the Ascent.
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Tony ran 8-9 kW peaks through his just fine... crazy.
 
Potted is much better, not only because it conducts heat but keeps the windings from being physically damaged.

There may be another ASI file for these motors soon, which is good news.
 
SwampDonkey said:
Potted motors can run much cooler. Typically motors are potted wit high thermally conductive epoxy. I KNOW people are going to try running 10,000W through these poor things. Im one of them lol. We're going to see how they hold up compared to cyclones and even the God of mid drives, the Ascent.
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Once cyc work the kinks out, the Ascent will be the choir boy of mid drives, not the god. Loud, expensive, low voltage, incredibly hard on drivetrain, outdated. I wouldn't buy it if they were the same price.
 
Once cyc work the kinks out, the Ascent will be the choir boy of mid drives, not the god. Loud, expensive, low voltage, incredibly hard on drivetrain, outdated. I wouldn't buy it if they were the same price.
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I feel this is the case already (mixed feelings about this..), this motor handles heat in an entirely different league than my Tangent drives. It's also a bit less noisy. Tangent support and further future seems a bit uncertain, to say at least, so this is the new king in my book. Remains to be seen how easy replacement parts are to get by, thinking mainly about freewheels and such.

Switching out the controller and display to something else (the same as in a Tangent setup, or a phaserunner) will make it a superior kit all together. Just wish someone could tell me more about the temp sensor they've put in it.

Also locktite those case screws, mine's already unscrewed itself and small amount of oil has trickled out on the top (case still firmly together). There can also occur some condensation on the inside of the glass.
 
knurf said:
Also locktite those case screws, mine's already unscrewed itself and small amount of oil has trickled out on the top (case still firmly together). There can also occur some condensation on the inside of the glass.
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The problem with tightening it is you might crack the glass overdoing it. They now include full alu side plates for free. I imagine that would deal way better against moisture.
 
The problem with tightening it is you might crack the glass overdoing it. They now include full alu side plates for free. I imagine that would deal way better against moisture.
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Yeah definitely shouldn't torque those too hard. I was referring to the ones on the opposite side, drive side.
 
Has anyone gotten the throttle to work well on the stock 14s controller? It is terrible, even with the latest firmware. Super slow and when you hit the throttle from a stop, the motor oscillates and then shuts down. On PAS it is fine. I can't understand why a simple throttle control could be so hard! It's unbelievable.

Also, has anyone fixed the chain ring wobble? I tried tightening the crank, but it still wobbles when you pedal or freewheel the pedals.
 
I fixed my throttle by using a HV160 on 12S. Domino > CAv3 > HV160. Very reliable instant power no oscillation. Sensorless so you need to be in the right gear to start. It does about 2.5kw and has shittons of torque. Sorry, I do not have solution for the stock controller, which looks like it may kind of suck.

For the chain ring I fixed my wobble by tightening everything, but do note that the chainrings are easily bent. Maybe it's wobbling because your rings aren't true?
 
n2mb said:
Has anyone gotten the throttle to work well on the stock 14s controller? It is terrible, even with the latest firmware. Super slow and when you hit the throttle from a stop, the motor oscillates and then shuts down. On PAS it is fine. I can't understand why a simple throttle control could be so hard! It's unbelievable.

Also, has anyone fixed the chain ring wobble? I tried tightening the crank, but it still wobbles when you pedal or freewheel the pedals.
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What kind of battery (and limits) do you feed it? For me it seems to oscillate more when the battery struggles to deliver enough current, and lower gears, higher rpm tend to behave a little better in that case. The controller also seems pretty bad at dialing back power when voltage is lower (this is something the CA does very well) and my BMS sometimes shut down due to single cell low when I push it.

My chainring also wobbles very slightly but its barely noticable (a common problem for all these setups, Tangent included, as far as I have seen). I just keep an eye on it, so it doesn't get any worse.
 
knurf said:
n2mb said:
Has anyone gotten the throttle to work well on the stock 14s controller? It is terrible, even with the latest firmware. Super slow and when you hit the throttle from a stop, the motor oscillates and then shuts down. On PAS it is fine. I can't understand why a simple throttle control could be so hard! It's unbelievable.

Also, has anyone fixed the chain ring wobble? I tried tightening the crank, but it still wobbles when you pedal or freewheel the pedals.
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What kind of battery (and limits) do you feed it? For me it seems to oscillate more when the battery struggles to deliver enough current, and lower gears, higher rpm tend to behave a little better in that case. The controller also seems pretty bad at dialing back power when voltage is lower (this is something the CA does very well) and my BMS sometimes shut down due to single cell low when I push it.

My chainring also wobbles very slightly but its barely noticable (a common problem for all these setups, Tangent included, as far as I have seen). I just keep an eye on it, so it doesn't get any worse.
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Good point. I'm using a 14s4p 30q battery. Luna wolf. Should be good for 80A peak.

It doesn't oscillate when using PAS, with the same hard start. Only on throttle...
 
n2mb said:
knurf said:
n2mb said:
Has anyone gotten the throttle to work well on the stock 14s controller? It is terrible, even with the latest firmware. Super slow and when you hit the throttle from a stop, the motor oscillates and then shuts down. On PAS it is fine. I can't understand why a simple throttle control could be so hard! It's unbelievable.

Also, has anyone fixed the chain ring wobble? I tried tightening the crank, but it still wobbles when you pedal or freewheel the pedals.
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What kind of battery (and limits) do you feed it? For me it seems to oscillate more when the battery struggles to deliver enough current, and lower gears, higher rpm tend to behave a little better in that case. The controller also seems pretty bad at dialing back power when voltage is lower (this is something the CA does very well) and my BMS sometimes shut down due to single cell low when I push it.

My chainring also wobbles very slightly but its barely noticable (a common problem for all these setups, Tangent included, as far as I have seen). I just keep an eye on it, so it doesn't get any worse.
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Good point. I'm using a 14s4p 30q battery. Luna wolf. Should be good for 80A peak.

It doesn't oscillate when using PAS, with the same hard start. Only on throttle...
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Hm well I haven't tried PAS, but I know a 30q 4p battery will have to struggle to deliver 2000w if below 50-75% SoC. Try running lower gears, let it rev more, see if it does anything to help.
 
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