new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

ebike11 said:
The 178mm bottom bracket from cyclone is offset
Does the longer end go on the crank or noncrank side? Thx

Left side, to clear the rear end of motor.
 
Sorry had another quick question.
What is the name or model of the tool needed to tighten the cyclone lockrings? Cyclone said they dont have it available. I mainly see just BB tools for the shell itself not the lockrings
Thx
 
What!? Gman's Cyclone-powered trike? He's been posting about his trikes for years! :) Glad to see you're still working with the Cyclone Gman!

Skaiwerd said:
Does this go here?
Referring to the above post
 
ebike11 said:
Sorry had another quick question.
What is the name or model of the tool needed to tighten the cyclone lockrings? Cyclone said they dont have it available. I mainly see just BB tools for the shell itself not the lockrings
Thx

Look for a lock ring tool, something like this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000087114371.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1d722ee66Y2XSd&algo_pvid=27da27e8-832d-4f66-a309-b9f06e96b8d0&algo_expid=27da27e8-832d-4f66-a309-b9f06e96b8d0-6&btsid=4c3a94b1-c190-4cca-9cef-8798c2ccb3b9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_52
 
Anyone know what the spacer width is on the drive side?
I will start off with 5mm, but it'd be good to know if someone can measure easy enough or has the info on hand.

My crankset gear and the motor gear do not line up. From Luna's youtube video on C3K install, looks like they have spacers that go between the motor and the brackets.

I lost the spacers, bb insert, bb insert "nuts", and for some reason the non drive side arm.
Ordered from CycloneTW the arms, and a 100mm bb. I was hoping they would come with spacers and more then one bb insert "nut". Just one nut and no spacers. Luna's vid had 3 nuts, I guess the 68 bb needs it and not the 100 bb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G99tNdeZa0g




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I got it close on a couple nuts, now its washer time.
Going to need a bit longer metric bolts, special order from Greggs Distributors.

A cpl runs over to HD and I still need more then 9.70mm space. Now the bolts wont fit.


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markz said:
Anyone know what the spacer width is on the drive side?
Those two 10mm spacers you have there in the right blue bowl.
Or, upper left corner on installation hardware picture.
 
Tyvm minimum

I used two nuts as spacers, I believe they were 5/16 nuts and it looks to be aligned with outter gear (2nd picture), but its not squared up (3rd picture) because the angled bracket is mangled. A cargo strap and a piece of wood will get it aligned.

The 6mm x 80mm Hexhead bolts were able to tighten up the spacer nuts snugly. At first I thought maybe they might be too long.
You could get away with the bolts being 75mm long.
I went through 3 sets. Most places dont sell that length in Allenhead, the specialty stores have minimum $10 policy.


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Or you could replace the arms.

https://lunacycle.com/parts/cyclone-parts/standard-square-tapered-crank-set-for-cyclone-pair/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-170mm-freewheel-crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-175mm-freewheel-crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-152mm-freewheel-crank-set/
 
Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.
 
joshuahuang said:
Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.

If you have the leads for the bluetooth module you can buy one on ali for $20.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32...4569amp-img_XjHNYH_9K1acmgc8hA1570911340635
Or you can try to connect/disconnect the "soft start" leads. They are two grey wires and they plug into each other.

Tbh only way I got it just right was "fast start 8, adjust accelerator curve on" and a top of the line domino throttle ($70).
 
What throttle are you using? Maybe give it some time to get used to?

joshuahuang said:
Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.
 
I already have a threaded arm for the freewheel, but I dont want to wreck that one too :oops:
I will first try some epoxy weld with the threads on the pedal shimmed for a tight fit.
Helicoil I doubt would work but might be worth a try, if the price is right.
Then I might have to get someone with a tig/gas to weld the hole in, drill it and tap it.


robocam said:
Or you could replace the arms.

https://lunacycle.com/parts/cyclone-parts/standard-square-tapered-crank-set-for-cyclone-pair/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-170mm-freewheel-crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-175mm-freewheel-crank-set/

http://sickbikeparts.com/cranks-152mm-freewheel-crank-set/
 
robocam said:
What throttle are you using? Maybe give it some time to get used to?

nah I've had it for a couple months now. I had no trouble adjusting to other throttles. It jerks really hard on startup no matter how slow i go
 
Tommm said:
joshuahuang said:
Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.

If you have the leads for the bluetooth module you can buy one on ali for $20.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32...4569amp-img_XjHNYH_9K1acmgc8hA1570911340635
Or you can try to connect/disconnect the "soft start" leads. They are two grey wires and they plug into each other.

Tbh only way I got it just right was "fast start 8, adjust accelerator curve on" and a top of the line domino throttle ($70).
woah i didn't know stock one had bluetooth. ill see if i have the plug on the controller when i get home
 
Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!
 

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endrew said:
Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!


This menu sets the speed of the "high speed mode" and "low speed mode" of the 3 speed switch. If you are in the middle speed(default state without a 3 speed switch connected), it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change max power, it is just an rpm limit. The high speed mode is just field weakening.
15% is a lot, on 72v with the 15% setting you can run into the controller's rpm limit and experience some skipping, mostly without a load.

Reguarding the throttle, the best usability is with the "adjust accelerator curve" turned on. Slow start off, and fast start on 6 to 8 depending on taste.
 
endrew said:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
Nucular.

12F if you're bold and do like changing your bicycle drivetrain components.
6F is good enough to destroy weaker links and get maintenance cycle low :D
 
What controller is this? Would you happen to have a link? What software is this screenshot from?

endrew said:
Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!
 
minimum said:
endrew said:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
Nucular.

12F if you're bold and do like changing your bicycle drivetrain components.
6F is good enough to destroy weaker links and get maintenance cycle low :D

Do you have experience pairing it with the cyclone? Seems to be pre-order

http://nucular.tech/#rec101723173
 
robocam said:
What controller is this? Would you happen to have a link? What software is this screenshot from?

endrew said:
Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!

Its the stock bluetooth controller and its app. They have it at Luna and Sick bike parts.
 
Tommm said:
endrew said:
Couple of questions regarding controllers:
1) Is there a good current based alternative to stock controller? stock controller controls speed rather than current.
2) When I try to set overspeed in stock controller, I can only set it up to 15. If I try to set it higher, It goes down to 15 after I hit "save". Why is that?
3) What is "low speed ratio"?

Thanks!


This menu sets the speed of the "high speed mode" and "low speed mode" of the 3 speed switch. If you are in the middle speed(default state without a 3 speed switch connected), it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change max power, it is just an rpm limit. The high speed mode is just field weakening.
15% is a lot, on 72v with the 15% setting you can run into the controller's rpm limit and experience some skipping, mostly without a load.

Reguarding the throttle, the best usability is with the "adjust accelerator curve" turned on. Slow start off, and fast start on 6 to 8 depending on taste.
Thanks!
What does "Fast start" do?
 
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