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2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by Jerome Daoust » Aug 13 2010 12:11am

My ongoing review.

Good rides,
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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by kafka-cloud » Aug 18 2010 7:31pm

Thank you for the continuous updates on website.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by Jerome Daoust » Aug 29 2010 11:13am

I got a Garmin Edge 500 on Friday and recorded a short ride yesterday.

It was windy. Mostly flat terrain. 19 miles. Average moving speed: 25.2 mph. Max speed: 36.4 mph.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by lester12483 » Aug 29 2010 11:45pm

Id love to race you with my cruiser.
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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by Jerome Daoust » Aug 29 2010 11:52pm

Today I did my first ever 100 mile ride.

Moderate (strong in canyon at East end) onshore wind.
100.3 mile. Average moving speed: 21.0 mph. Max speed: 33.4 mph.
Consumed 3 batteries fully and about 90% of 4th one à 1872 Wh (3.9 x 48 V x 10 Ah).

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by kafka-cloud » Sep 03 2010 5:51pm

Thank you for updating this thread and website =)

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by D-Man » Dec 22 2010 3:47pm

I saw a couple of these in the LBS. Pretty impressive looking. How easy was it to modify to get 30mph?
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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by Jerome Daoust » Feb 16 2011 12:35am

D-Man wrote:I saw a couple of these in the LBS. Pretty impressive looking. How easy was it to modify to get 30mph?
As easy as asking for it to be done for you.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by slacker » Feb 16 2011 10:06am

please explain in detail.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by Jerome Daoust » Mar 18 2011 6:31pm

slacker wrote:please explain in detail.
To get your ebike deregulated (to go above 20 mph), you just have to ask for it when ordering it.
Thats all I did and all I know.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by anthony_prodeco » Oct 10 2011 3:33pm

Deregulating the motor to be above 20mph makes the bike "not street legal" according to federal law. Be careful if you do this

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by pjpeter » Oct 11 2011 1:16pm

Great review, I read it all over and really appreciating the decision matrix - very well organized - thank you :).

Thinking of buying one - they have it locally at a store with a markup - they don't actually have one in house and if I bought from them I don't think they'd ask for it to be deregged unfortunately - it'd be nice to have the local warranty but it sounds like you had a good experience. Only thing for me is I'm up in Canada...

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by pjpeter » Oct 29 2011 10:59am

Yep - I want one :). Just looking for the best place to get one up here - thanks again for your great and detailed review, it's what won me over :)

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by BadeBike4U » Nov 06 2011 9:02am

Thanks for the great ongoing review. I have been researching ebikes for about 2 weeks now and have only decided on buying an ebike from a dealer that I can get service from. I am seeing a few problems that need to be addressed at times by owners and I want a dealer to be able to assist me if I need it. I am seriously considering a product from Pedego, it might even be the Interceptor. I live in a small town, so my trips will rarely be over 12 miles round trip. If I have only one battery on the rack do you think it would be a problem for an unmodified frame? Have you had a chance to ride some of the other popular ebikes and if so how does the Pedego Interceptor stand up to them. Joe :D

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by amberwolf » Nov 07 2011 2:57am

Levy wrote:Deregulating the motor to be above 20mph makes the bike "not street legal" according to federal law. Be careful if you do this
Not strictly true. There is no federal law regulating ebikes as individuals own and use them, only as manufacturers produce them.

Each state and municipality has it's own rules about ebike speeds and capabilities, so as long as those rules don't prohibit either the modification or the results, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by SamTexas » Nov 07 2011 8:52am

amberwolf wrote: Not strictly true. There is no federal law regulating ebikes as individuals own and use them, only as manufacturers produce them.
I have heard that more than one time, but I could not find anything specific in writing to support it. There is no differentiation between manufacturers and individuals in the federal wordings. In fact neither term was mentioned. What did I miss?

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Post by TylerDurden » Nov 07 2011 9:25am

SamTexas wrote:I have heard that more than one time, but I could not find anything specific in writing to support it. There is no differentiation between manufacturers and individuals in the federal wordings. In fact neither term was mentioned. What did I miss?
The title perhaps?
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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by SamTexas » Nov 07 2011 10:05am

What title? Can you post the complete title?

This is the title of the Federal Law I'm aware of:
"Public Law 107–319"
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... 19.107.pdf

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by anthony_prodeco » Nov 07 2011 10:10am

SamTexas wrote:
amberwolf wrote: Not strictly true. There is no federal law regulating ebikes as individuals own and use them, only as manufacturers produce them.
I have heard that more than one time, but I could not find anything specific in writing to support it. There is no differentiation between manufacturers and individuals in the federal wordings. In fact neither term was mentioned. What did I miss?

Ya, there is no wording to differentiate them because the law is written to describe what qualifies as an electric bicycle. this means that if something meets the definition, it does not require insurance or registration. If it does not meet this definition, then it needs insurance and registration. Amberwolf, I'm sorry but you are mistaken. If your bike goes above 20mph you need insurance and registration for that vehicle. If a cop catches you and he knows the law, you could get fined for driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle. Also, you mentioned it depends on what your state or local laws are, this is also inaccurate information. As you will see in the quote below (directly from federal regulations word for word) the federal regulations supersede any state or local law regarding the use of electric bicycles.

Bottom line, if you deregulate your bike to go above 20 mph, don't get caught on the road by a cop because if they know the laws, you could get into serious trouble. Also, Pedego seems to be braking the law by deregulating bikes for their customers.

The law reads as follows:

On October 22, 2008, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA)
updated the Bicycle and Pedestrian Provisions of Federal
Transportation Legislation to make technical corrections and
clarifications.
Below are the important updates reflecting electric bicycles:
Motorized Vehicle Use: In general, motorized vehicles are not permitted
on non-motorized trails and pedestrian walkways funded under Title 23.
Exceptions to this general rule exist for maintenance vehicles; motorized
wheelchairs; when State or local regulations permit, snowmobiles; and
electric bicycles (weighing under 100 pounds and a top speed of less
than 20 miles per hour); "and such other circumstances as the Secretary
deems appropriate" (except the Recreational Trails Program which
specifically provides funds for motorized trails). In 2008, FHWA
developed a Framework for Considering Motorized Use on Nonmotorized
Trails and Pedestrian Walkways to implement the "other
circumstances" provision.

Framework for Considering Motorized Use on Non-motorized Trails
and Pedestrian Walkways under 23 U.S.C. § 217
The purpose of this document is to provide guidance to Federal Highway
Administration (FHWA) division offices and a consistent framework for
determining when to permit an exception for motorized use on nonmotorized
trails and pedestrian walkways under 23 U.S.C. § 217(h)(5).
The relevant legislation reads as follows:
23 U.S.C. § 217. Bicycle Transportation and Pedestrian Walkways (h)
Use of Motorized Vehicles.--Motorized vehicles may not be permitted on
trails and pedestrian walkways under this section, except for-- (1)
maintenance purposes; (2) when snow conditions and State or local
regulations permit, snowmobiles; (3) motorized wheelchairs; (4) when
State or local regulations permit, electric bicycles; and (5) such other
circumstances as the Secretary deems appropriate.

(j) Definitions.--In this section, the following definitions apply:
(2) Electric bicycle.--The term "electric bicycle" means any bicycle or
tricycle with a low-powered electric motor weighing under 100
pounds, with a top motor-powered speed not in excess of 20 miles per
hour.
(4) Wheelchair.--The term "wheelchair" means a mobility aid, usable
indoors, and designed for and used by individuals with mobility
impairments, whether operated manually or motorized.

HR 727
SECTION 1, CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY ACT
The Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq) is amended
by added at the end of the following:
LOW-SPEED ELECTRIC BICYCLES
SEC. 38.(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, low-speed
electric bicycles are consumer products within the meaning of section
3(a)(1) and shall be subject to the Commission regulations published at
section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512 of title 16, Code of Federal
Regulations.
(b) For the purpose of this section, the term `low-speed electric bicycle'
means a two or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals and an
electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose maximum speed on
a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden
by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 mph.
(c) To further protect the safety of consumers who ride low-speed
electric bicycles, the Commission may promulgate new or amended
requirements applicable to such vehicles as necessary and appropriate.
(d) This section shall supersede any State law or requirement with
respect to low speed electric bicycles to the extent that such State law or
requirement is more stringent than the Federal law or requirements
referred to in subsection (a).

SEC. 2. MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS.
For purposes of motor vehicle safety standards issued and enforced
pursuant to chapter 301 of title 49, United States Code, a low-speed
electric bicycle (as defined in section 38(b) of the Consumer Product
Safety Act) shall not be considered a motor vehicle as defined by section
30102(6) of title 49, United States Code.

Local Bicycle Laws
• Most states have their own set of bicycle laws regarding traditional
pedal powered bicycles. With most states recognizing electric bicycles
as traditional pedal powered bicycles you must know these laws in your
area. Your Department of Transportation or Cycle Clubs in your area will
have the details involving riding a bicycle in your area and your city's
bike pathways. Requirements for riding changes with areas with most
cities requiring LED lights, hand signals, riding on the correct side of
the road, riding behind and not parallel to other cyclist, etc…

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by SamTexas » Nov 07 2011 10:25am

Levy wrote:As you will see in the quote below (directly from federal regulations word for word) the federal regulations supersede any state or local law regarding the use of electric bicycles.
This is a grey area. The wording is contradictory. It can be interpreted both ways. So far, the states appear to be winning. Case in point: Ebikes are illegal (but rarely enforced) in New York state.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by TylerDurden » Nov 07 2011 8:20pm

"In general, motorized vehicles are not permitted on non-motorized trails and pedestrian walkways funded under Title 23."

It has no bearing on roadways.



HR 727 is about a section of the Consumer Protection Safety Act. Has no bearing on use, only manufacturing and sales.

As an act concerned with protecting consumers, it is evident (to any reasonably intelligent person) to be distinguishing individuals from suppliers.


States rule their own roads, including licensure, registration and insurance. Not even NHTSA has any say on vehicle operation on roadways.
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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by magic carpet » Mar 06 2012 9:03am

amberwolf wrote:
Levy wrote:Deregulating the motor to be above 20mph makes the bike "not street legal" according to federal law. Be careful if you do this
Not strictly true. There is no federal law regulating ebikes as individuals own and use them, only as manufacturers produce them.

Each state and municipality has it's own rules about ebike speeds and capabilities, so as long as those rules don't prohibit either the modification or the results, there's nothing wrong with it.
My local Pedego dealer told me any modification of this sort would void warranty.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by amberwolf » Mar 06 2012 2:53pm

Typically *any* modification of something with a warranty voids that warranty, regardless of what it is. ;)

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by hsamadeus » Mar 11 2012 7:23pm

Thank you for a very detailed, thoughtful review. Really like your decision matrix. One question from a total newbie: you didn't include the Trek FX+ in the matrix. Is there a reason for that, or is it just that you couldn't reasonably include all options on the marketplace? Thanks.

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Re: 2010 Pedego Interceptor

Post by pjpeter » Dec 15 2012 4:43pm

Can anyone answer this question:

Is it correct that if you turn the wheel while it is in the air, it will act like a generator, resulting in the lights turning on the bike's power indicator even if the battery is not connected?

This would also occur if going down a steep hill with the battery off or disconnected - do the power lights come on?

Thanks very much,
Peter
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