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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    I wondered about the Z50, it's what shipped on the Jouta and it was one long piece (and twisted as heck). I had to break it and insert a master-link to straighten it out before I could even finish assembling the quad.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    The Jouta was using 7.3mm (KMC z50), 7 speed chain. The only thing below that (in bicycle chain) is single speed.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    I tried a BBS02 on my Quad, which is about the same weight as the Rotovelo. On those slopes it either winches it's self up the chain, collapsing/telescoping in the front boom, or snaps chain. This is the general problem with a mid-drive solution. As for reverse, I can always use a small...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Some still are, especially the carbon velos. But a number of models can be had in the $6k-7k range. Quest, WAW and Mango all have base prices in that range. There is a new importer shop in Texas that is opening the first of the year (https://www.bicycle-evolution.com) that will handle importing...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Ya, being warm definitely isn't a problem in most velos, but cooling can be. When I get it I intend to add a air intake to the nose and route it up to the Hatch for extra air flow. Similar to this WAW: http://velomobilemedia.com/testriding.htm
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    UtahTrikes offers a "Rolling Chassis" that is only $3,500. That's how I bought mine, since I was going to have to redo the all the gearing anyway (like most bikes/trike the stock gearing just isn't low enough), why get one for $6k and then strip it all out.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Ya,ya. All jokes aside they are notoriously durable. And the primary considerations were weather protection and all year driving at a minimal cost. There were a few enclosed "scooters", but frankly they were bad and bumped headlong into the DMV rats nest. While the roto-molded body is very...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    There are ways to get a vin. Go to a junk yard, pick out a wrecked bike (the donor bike) that has a title, take it's vin and register your build as that bike rebuilt. That get's done often with custom builds.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    You left out the very restrictive Bicycle definition: §17C-1-8. Bicycle. "Bicycle" means every device which does not have a motor attached and which is propelled by human power upon which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels either of which is more than twenty inches in diameter...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    The only place it shows up in code is in the definition section and in the sections on lights/safety equipment where it is lumped with Motorcycles. I've asked the DMV about it a number of different times over the years and every DMV worker has griped about hating scooters as most of them fall...
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    Fat Mans Seat ?

    I know this well. Finding a seat that will support my ample posterior is also difficult. Currently using this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D22CDBB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's fairly soft but it still sits too far forward when adjusted to it's limit. We'll see...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    If I could afford the legal battle I would just build it and claim it's legally a "unclassified" vehicle. Meaning that it sits outside *any* of the vehicle definitions on the books and for them to do anything about it legally the state senate would have to add a definition.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    That's what I'm beginning to think as well. Problem is 5Kw (6.67 BHP) squarely puts it in Motorcycle territory, which will bring other requirements like DOT lighting and Braking. edit: And that simply isn't going to fit on a space starved velo. ;)
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    I couldn't remember the exact wording but here it is: §17C-1-5a. Moped. "Moped" means every motorcycle or motor-driven cycle unless otherwise specified in this chapter, which is equipped with two or three wheels, foot pedals to permit muscular propulsion and an independent power source...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Ya, that was another thing to think about. As a human I can pedal at a very slow cadence and winch myself up a hill, but the motor needs a certain minimum speed....hills suck, unless you are riding down them. ;)
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Ya, that's why I was asking about "cargo" hub motors as they should be a bit more robust. When I can cause the boom to telescope in a few inches with just my leg power at that GI (14gi) on a steep slope, breaking things is a real possibility.
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    It's a recumbent trike/quad it won't fall over so no need to worry about speed. You sit and spin and spin and spin till you reach the top. It's jokingly referred to as "winching" your way up a hill. :lol: And yes, it's for riding/climbing without the motor. edit: It's common for recumbent...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    That's a lot, lets see if I can't answer some of that. And thanks for the links to those calculators and the All-Axle Motor. That look very interesting. :D I don't expect to be climbing the big hills (20%) at speed, there aren't that many in the area and they can be detoured around. I'm not...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Ya, there are 10 speed freewheels, but even the "wide range" top out at 36T (or that is the largest I've seen). I need those larger 50T+ rings that I can only get on a Cassette. My Quad (Jouta Blue Line) sits at ~14 gear inches [GI] (20x1.5; 24T front, 34T rear), weighs only ~1 pound more then...
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Looked at the Leaf, no Cassette option.... I think. It's a little unclear. >Sigh<
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    A little help please - Cargo Hub Motor

    Hi everyone. :D I'm mostly familiar with mid-drives so I need a little help finding a Rearhub motor/kit. So let me lay out my use case: I need a hub motor to assist a Rotovelo velomobile (73lbs), my self (~260lbs) and cargo (~60lbs) up 20% grades. Given that use case I think my only option is...
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    A new Solar Vehicle (with pedals)

    I've also had a few VW Beetles. They were a pain in the butt to heat in the winter. :D As for heating/cooling there are a number of options including "swamp" /evaporative coolers for those who live in more arid climates to one of the new portable air conditioners. like the Zero Breeze (yes...
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    A new Solar Vehicle (with pedals)

    I saw the announcement. I'm wondering how much the final production version weighs, I've not seen it listed anywhere. I also can't wait to get a hold of the Open Source plans.
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    A new Solar Vehicle (with pedals)

    Hmm, well that explains what happened to the Mo. I was looking forward to the Open Source release of the plans so I could try and build one here. Looks like I may have to fall back on building a Mochet clone instead if this is going to be stalled for very long.
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    BMZ new 21700 cell 3Tron battery

    Ya, Not having data sheets for them is very annoying. There really should be something given Samsung's announcement in 2015 at Eurobike, but nope, nada. edit: here is a link to the announcement, I actually remember that after having read it again...
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