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Just a couple of miles from the hotel we stay at whenever we visit Orange County.
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https://abc7.com/post/brush-fire-br... the hot spots in Trabuco Canyon on the left.
 

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rafalg said:
Looks like too much politics, too little care about facts. I think every year there are controlled burns in California - but this is a huge undertaking, firemen need to be on guard and the area is limited so that the whole thing can be kept under control. So it's quite obvious that it can only be done on very small areas in the neighboorhood of buildings. Also, blaming the growth of the bushes on firefighting efforts is kinda ridiculous - how could it affect half of California?
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The problem is over-regulation and high liability for landowners to do as they see fit with their land. Did you read the article? You can search for other articles. The new term is “prescribed burns.” Also most of the land is state owned, so safety is buried under the bureaucracy.

All this stuff done in the name of “going green” has so many drawbacks. One is the forest mismanagement, another is the push for EVs which are far dirtier than ICEs. The important thing is that citizens think they are doing right by the environment. But other states don’t have the horrible air quality as California does every year.
 
Tony01 said:
All this stuff done in the name of “going green” has so many drawbacks. One is the forest mismanagement, another is the push for EVs which are far dirtier than ICEs.
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Not after about 15,000 miles.

So if you drive your car for less than 15,000 miles before having it crushed, then yes, gas cars are cleaner. However, for the vast majority of Americans, EVs are much, much cleaner over their lifetimes.
 
JackFlorey said:
Not after about 15,000 miles.

So if you drive your car for less than 15,000 miles before having it crushed, then yes, gas cars are cleaner. However, for the vast majority of Americans, EVs are much, much cleaner over their lifetimes.
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No, the energy still has to be generated somewhere. And I have heard that claim that they’re “cleaner” after some miles but the reality is it’s more like 10x that. MAYBE.

There are those like yourself who think EVs are rainbows and unicorns for the environment, and those like myself who only do it for the performance. And what have you built anyway? Probably not something like this. But hey, surprise me.

You are clearly very misguided.
The Real Cost of EVs

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If hummanity can't figure out a way to reduce greenhouse emissions, and reduce consumption, it will be the end of the living earth. The very earth which, sort of ironically, created us.
 
gromike said:
If hummanity can't figure out a way to reduce greenhouse emissions, and reduce consumption, it will be the end of the living earth. The very earth which, sort of ironically, created us.
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Just another environmentalist talking point. No, the earth is WAY older than us. The earth is estimated to be 5 billion years old and humans are estimated to have begun walking the earth 6 million years ago, so just 1/1000th of the age of the earth. And “civilization” been around for 6000 years. The earth will be fine even if Putin is dumb enough to send one of his nukes and create the end of humanity through mutually assured destruction.

So you saying everybody has to pay more of their output through taxes for some causes you believe in? If you think humans are a cancer to the earth, well you can put your money where your mouth is and start by eliminating yourself. But nobody who thinks that, ever has the balls to lead by example.

I bet if you were struggling to hunt and gather your next meal you wouldn’t be concerned with emissions. Thanks for the laugh. What have you even built?
 
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There is the planet which hosts our biosphere. Yes, you can eliminate the biosphere and you will still have a planet.
Look at Mars. That could be the future that we choose.
 
gromike said:
There is the planet which hosts our biosphere. Yes, you can eliminate the biosphere and you will still have a planet.
Look at Mars. That could be the future that we choose.
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You have a right to your opinion, but people like you tend to vote for things that force others to do as you see fit. You do your thing and don’t bother me or mine.
 
Tony01 said:
No, the energy still has to be generated somewhere.
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Right. If you live in Kentucky it's more like 25,000 miles due to the higher percentage of coal used in generation. If you live in California it's more like 10,000 miles since most of our energy is renewable. And for me it's closer to 8000 miles since I generate all my own power from solar.

15,000 is a US average.

And since our cars have 125,000 and 56,000 miles on them respectively, we've been carbon-negative compared to a gas car for years,

There are those like yourself who think EVs are rainbows and unicorns for the environment, and those like myself who only do it for the performance.
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They are not "rainbows and unicorns." They are merely better than gas cars.
And what have you built anyway?
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Let's see.

Nowadays I design and build large battery energy storage systems based on used Tesla and Nissan batteries. One of our first installed systems is below.

smartville.io

Smartville Takes Major Step Forward with Smartville 360, Its Scalable, Second-Life Energy Storage System Installed for UC San Diego - Smartville

Smartville’s mission is to be the world's most sustainable, scalable, and reliable EV battery repurposing platform and to revolutionize energy storage on a global scale, one battery pack, one-kilowatt hour, at a time.
smartville.io smartville.io

If your phone uses wireless charging, it uses my patents; I developed Qualcomm's wireless charging system about ten years ago. I also worked on the EV charging system now owned by Witricity (we sold the technology to them.)

And I build solar power systems and ebikes for other people. Just built a 5KW solar power system for a Burning Man camp, and have built a dozen ebikes over the years for friends and coworkers.

How about you?
 
What they are starting to do now is drop orange Phos-Check onto mountains and hills where there is no fire burning just in case one starts. So all the hills have been decorated with orange stripes for Halloween.
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JackFlorey said:
Right. If you live in Kentucky it's more like 25,000 miles due to the higher percentage of coal used in generation. If you live in California it's more like 10,000 miles since most of our energy is renewable. And for me it's closer to 8000 miles since I generate all my own power from solar.

15,000 is a US average.

And since our cars have 125,000 and 56,000 miles on them respectively, we've been carbon-negative compared to a gas car for years,


They are not "rainbows and unicorns." They are merely better than gas cars.

Let's see.

Nowadays I design and build large battery energy storage systems based on used Tesla and Nissan batteries. One of our first installed systems is below.

smartville.io

Smartville Takes Major Step Forward with Smartville 360, Its Scalable, Second-Life Energy Storage System Installed for UC San Diego - Smartville

Smartville’s mission is to be the world's most sustainable, scalable, and reliable EV battery repurposing platform and to revolutionize energy storage on a global scale, one battery pack, one-kilowatt hour, at a time.
smartville.io smartville.io

If your phone uses wireless charging, it uses my patents; I developed Qualcomm's wireless charging system about ten years ago. I also worked on the EV charging system now owned by Witricity (we sold the technology to them.)

And I build solar power systems and ebikes for other people. Just built a 5KW solar power system for a Burning Man camp, and have built a dozen ebikes over the years for friends and coworkers.

How about you?
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Sure an EV is more efficient but the MANUFACTURING of it is what makes it NOT. You have to dig up 500x a battery’s weight in ore to build it; how much pollution does that cause?

What about the humanitarian crisis caused by the mining of 30lb of cobalt needed for a car battery? No it’s not 15 or 20k miles it’s more like 150,000 miles. Unicorns and rainbows.

Magnetically charged toothbrushes been around for decades. You understand magnetism, ok.

By “what have you built” I meant bikes. Built anything interesting? Or just the regular 48/20 Amazon batt on a MTB type build? Done anything that charges in 15 minutes with an onboard charger with L2 plug?

I’ve done a lot of metal fabrication, custom motorcycle builds, difficult machining. It would take me 10 years to go through the amount of cobalt in tools as in just one EV battery. Apparently you didn’t read my topic link above.
 
Tony01 said:
Sure an EV is more efficient but the MANUFACTURING of it is what makes it NOT. You have to dig up 500x a battery’s weight in ore to build it; how much pollution does that cause?
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And you have to dig up a MUCH higher percentage of ore to get the platinum and palladium your gas car needs. That incurs pollution as well.

Like I said, EVs start out with a slightly higher energy debt than gas cars. The breakeven point occurs at about 15,000 miles - after that, the EV uses less energy over its lifetime.
What about the humanitarian crisis caused by the mining of 30lb of cobalt needed for a car battery?
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Similar to the humanitarian crises caused by mining that platinum and palladium. Child slave labor for your gas car! O my!

Built anything interesting?
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My first ebike was a brushed motor friction drive on a Greenspeed trike with 12V gel cells. It got me to work and back, and that's about all I could say about that. Since then I've gone the E-tek plus chain drive route with Ni-MH (that one did not work well) two external motors with reduction drives and one geared hub. Since then they've all been direct drive hubs, from Goldens to Crystalytes to All-Axles. My favorite to date was a Crystalyte and a 60V li-ion that I ran at about 4KW.
 
JackFlorey said:
And you have to dig up a MUCH higher percentage of ore to get the platinum and palladium your gas car needs. That incurs pollution as well.

Similar to the humanitarian crises caused by mining that platinum and palladium. Child slave labor for your gas car! O my!
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From Edmunds.com- “The average catalytic converter contains about 1-2 grams of rhodium, about 3-7 grams of platinum, and between 2 and 7 grams of palladium.”

That’s less than twenty GRAMS of precious metals in a cat vs thirty KILOGRAMS just for the COBALT in an EV battery!!

Oh wow way higher percentage? You really got me there. The cat was the best thing invented for the urban environment and you’re using its use of less than an OUNCE of precious metals to tell me it’s just as bad as more than 2000x the pollution and humanitarian damage that EVs cause, before they even hit the road? That’s messed up man.

I made a mistake saying it would take me 10 years to go through 30lbs of cobalt in tools. Asked my old boss, he said “a lifetime” LOL
 
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