A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

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A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby Greyhair » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:07 pm

Hello All,
This is my first post, having discovered this forum about halfway through my project. The craftsmanship and ingenuity of the folks here is stunning. After watching the many creative and well-executed solutions posted here I hesitated to share my own "non-hub drive" with such a crowd of master builders. But, here goes...

The build resulted from a challenge by my son, a former pro bicycle racer, and is purely for fun. Could I build an electric tandem based on actually pumping the pedals? Would it climb the steep hills where we live? The result of the challenge is Joules, who sits on the stoker seat and does all of the pedaling. The fun part was coming up with a drive linkage that would use human-proportional legs to pedal in a circle matching the pedal cranks. The linkage delivers force tangent to the crank circle through the whole pedal revolution. The kinematics of the result are interesting to watch. (Hope that as a newbie I can get a video to work...)

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Joules
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Getting ready for the first ride
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The linkages were the fun part
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More linkage detail
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3 stage transmission from 2400 RPM at the PMG-132 motor to about 90 RPM at the cranks
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you tube post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcW-VzpgcE8

I'd appreciate any comments/questions.

Regards, guys,

Carl
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby Miles » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:24 pm

:shock: Truly awesome! :D

Welcome Carl!

It's very relaxing to watch Joules in motion, almost hypnotic....
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby mud2005 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:33 pm

:shock: OMG, a true work of art!!! :mrgreen: much respect
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby perbear » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:21 pm

Wow! :D
Congratulations, watching this marvel is really something that makes an engineers heart beat faster! :shock: :roll: :lol:
Superb!

Please let us know more about the story behind this mechanical wonder. Tell us more about the motivation, project planning, hours required, machining, and not least the reaction from family and friends.
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby HAL9000v2.0 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:30 pm

I must use this font size for the firs time.
GREAT !!!
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby etard » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:18 pm

Dude, Carl, where have you been? That automaton is a cyclist's best friend. It would be even cooler if he sensed how much the driver was helping and shouted encouragement ( or insults) with your voice!!

Please, more details like weight, materials, and what kind of tools did you use.

Welcome to The Sphere, Non Hub Motor Drive? YES!!!
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby 12p3phPMDC » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:14 pm

That is awesome.... :lol:

It gives me the same chills this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcR7U2tuNoY

I was up late one night just blown away by this stuff.

Thanks for posting Carl...! were you inspired by Theo Jansen?
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby boostjuice » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:27 pm

OMG that is a head turner!!! So is Joules faster than Lance Armstrong once all the transaxle losses are taken into account?
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby Timma2500 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:45 pm

Joules is absolutely fantastic! High quality work, well done Carl and welcome to ES! :D

More pics/info?

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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby floatingdog » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:14 pm

Carl,

Brilliant! If that is you in the video, you are an inspiration to all of us over 40 (well maybe a little older in my case). I bet your son is awestruck and very proud!

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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby Grinhill » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:41 pm

WOW!!!! that brought a smile to my dial.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Beatiful work indeed.

This is definately the sort of thing that will get e-biking noticed by the general public!!!
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby spinningmagnets » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:43 am

Beautiful work ! How much does Joules weigh? You might consider looking for a sponsor (Red Bull makes it feel like you've got an extra pair of legs pedalling", etc)

The news is always looking for "fill". You might start out with a local newspaper, and that would make it easy to get noticed by a local TV news program. I have no doubt this would get picked up by the national TV news for a 30-second blurb.
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby donob08 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:10 am

Carl

WOW, Kudos, very impressive. What's next?
Own a 1988 Rockhopper, Comp soon to be MY1018 powered, a 2008 Blaze recumbent, a 2008 eZip, Trailz Hybrid Electric Bike, with Ping 24V, 15 Ah battery (4,500 miles)and a 1971 Raleigh Super Course bought new, now updated. It's the same bike I love, feels even better.
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby bzhwindtalker » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:23 am

a lipo powered exo skeleton haha :lol:
beautiful work here !
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Re: A Pedal-Pushing Drive Build

Postby Ypedal » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:41 pm

amazing work !!! totally stunning !.. ( no duct tape visible gets you bonus points ! hehe )

What are you using for batteries on that perm motor ? those units are amp hungry.. :shock:

all done by yourself ? macine shop at home ? :D

Welcome to ES btw !! great to have you here !!! cheers !
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