ebika.ca VS bmsbattery.com ebrakes?

[tomtom123]

Any reason why i should spend extra on the ebike.ca ebrakes? seems like they are selling the same cheap chinese ebrakes that bmsbattery.com is selling so i don't know why i should spend more for the same item? unless anyone else knows why then please save me from making a bad purchase.

http://www.bmsbattery.com/ebike-parts/52-brake-grip.html

http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/ebrakes.html

 

[Cyclebutt]

Run through the whole process and see what the cost is after shipping. If that is all your going to order, I'm betting your final cost will be much less with the Vancouver boys.

 

[tomtom123]

Run through the whole process and see what the cost is after shipping. If that is all your going to order, I'm betting your final cost will be much less with the Vancouver boys.

nope. cost with shipping from bms battery is still lots cheaper than cost with shipping from ebike.ca. I'm pretty sure they're selling the same items too.

 

[CEGB]

Do you have any customs or import duties if you import from Canada to USA?

 

[chvidgov.bc.ca]

I think it is cheaper and easier to use the inline brake sensor types, so you don't need new brake levers. They work well. They do have three wires, so you may need to fish for a source for the positive source, along with the normal 2 wires - black and white/yellow for signal and ground. They just go above your vbrake noodle.

 

[d8veh]

Yes, In-line brake sensors allow you to keep your existing brake levers:

http://www.bmsbattery.com/accessory/459-hwbs-hidden-wire-brake-sensor.html

or you can use one of these if your back brake cable runs along your frame with just the inner part showing. It's the cheapest way to get a rear brake switch($3 inc postage), which is all you need:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-Bicycle-Bike-LCD-Cycling-Computer-Odometer-Speedometer-Stopwatch-D1-/321257690470?pt=UK_SportGoods_CyclAcces_RL&hash=item4acc735566

Cut the sensor off leaving a long piece of wire attached and strap it to the frame next to the bare break cable. Fix the magnet to the cable so that when you operate the brake, the magnet moves to the sensor and switches it on. You have to play about a bit to get the distance right for the correct switching point.

 

[TheBeastie]

Yeah if you payed more then $80 for your bike you would have to be insane as you think your an onion to use anything other then those sensors http://www.bmsbattery.com/accessory/459-hwbs-hidden-wire-brake-sensor.html
They work great.

 

[tomtom123]

Yes, In-line brake sensors allow you to keep your existing brake levers:

http://www.bmsbattery.com/accessory/459-hwbs-hidden-wire-brake-sensor.html

or you can use one of these if your back brake cable runs along your frame with just the inner part showing. It's the cheapest way to get a rear brake switch($3 inc postage), which is all you need:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-Bicycle-Bike-LCD-Cycling-Computer-Odometer-Speedometer-Stopwatch-D1-/321257690470?pt=UK_SportGoods_CyclAcces_RL&hash=item4acc735566

Cut the sensor off leaving a long piece of wire attached and strap it to the frame next to the bare break cable. Fix the magnet to the cable so that when you operate the brake, the magnet moves to the sensor and switches it on. You have to play about a bit to get the distance right for the correct switching point.

interesting, i'm not sure how it works though from the pics. How do it attach to your brake lever? i can press a brake lever and it'll cut power to the throttle like normal ebike brakes?

the reason i wanted to buy the ebike brakes is cause it's cheap and someone wrote that i could take the brakes apart and extract the switch mechanism that cuts the throttle and use that only with my normal brake levers.

 

[d8veh]

You don't put either of them on your brake levers. They go on the cables instead. They have three wires, but many controllers have only two wires in the brake connector. One is ground (black)and the other is signal (often yellow, but can be other colours). The in-line brake sensor has yellow ground, blue signal and red 5v. You have to splice the red 5v into the throttle red or use the PAS red, then sensor yellow to brake connector black and sensor blue to brake connector yellow (or whatever) :

 

[Cyclebutt]

I like it! I'll add several of those to a future BMSbattery order. I'll NEVER order spokes from BMSbattery again as it looks like shipping the WRONG nipples is a common problem they won't address.

Meanwhile, that speedo lead hack is pure genius! Maybe not the best solution, but I like the thinking outside the box, nice job. That switch hack could be used for MANY applications.

 

[tomtom123]

You don't put either of them on your brake levers. They go on the cables instead. They have three wires, but many controllers have only two wires in the brake connector. One is ground (black)and the other is signal (often yellow, but can be other colours). The in-line brake sensor has yellow ground, blue signal and red 5v. You have to splice the red 5v into the throttle red or use the PAS red, then sensor yellow to brake connector black and sensor blue to brake connector yellow (or whatever) :

So basically the part that goes on the brake cables detects tension on the cable and sends a signal to stop cut power to the throttle?

 

[Drunkskunk]

Any reason why i should spend extra on the ebike.ca ebrakes? seems like they are selling the same cheap chinese ebrakes that bmsbattery.com is selling so i don't know why i should spend more for the same item? unless anyone else knows why then please save me from making a bad purchase.

http://www.bmsbattery.com/ebike-parts/52-brake-grip.html

http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/ebrakes.html

I looked up the BMS price. $38.27 to get it here by post, although experience tells me its way better to go with the DHL option from Hong Kong, which makes those $3.00 levers $48.02. I would want the package to actually arrive.

No idea what the Ebike.ca shipping is. but final price should be close to the same.

Regardless, the BMS ones don't say what kind of brake they are for. and there IS a difference. They are also going to be the contractor button type, which isn't exactly weather proof, nor reliable. the magnetic ones from eZee are the kind you want if you really need E-brake handles.

 

[neptronix]

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The tektro ebrake handle is far superior to the Chinese ones. It's available at ebikessf and other vendors.
Check the video and i explain why and show the differences.

 

[tomtom123]

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The tektro ebrake handle is far superior to the Chinese ones. It's available at ebikessf and other vendors.
Check the video and i explain why and show the differences.

Tektro is Chinese too

 

[neptronix]

No doubt. But there is a huge difference between quality in the two products anyway.

 

[Avitt]

I bought these, from an AliExpress vendor: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/eBike-Brake-Sensor/323339_884684497.html

About $22 per pair, shipped to US. (Seller upgraded to EMS, at their expense, because ePacket service was not available.). MinShine brand, nice looking, work well.

 

[Ypedal]

After trying a bunch, and throwing out a few dozen of them not long ago... i like these..

 

[TheBeastie]

I think these are magnetic based, the wire just goes thru and works like magic? I have looked down the hole and just see a pipe..
I was able to do a complete order 1 from GBK for $12 with registered air mail, to Australia, might be cheaper to other places.
http://www.greenbikekit.com/hidden-wire-brake-sensor.html
Elife its $18.45 but the brake sensor is a different one, its black.
http://www.elifebike.com/peng/iview.asp?KeyID=dtpic-2014-19-JMEJ.3MWYN

 

[d8veh]

I don't know why people would want to mess about with complete brake levers. The in-line type, which are often called "hidden wire brake sensors" by the Chinese are totally reliable, easier to fit and cheaper. It looks like Greenbikekit are the cheapest if you buy them on their own ($11 a pair plus shipping).

I don't know how they work because they only work in one direction. They must detect the cable movement somehow.

 

[Arbol]

I don't know why people would want to mess about with complete brake levers. The in-line type, which are often called "hidden wire brake sensors" by the Chinese are totally reliable, easier to fit and cheaper. It looks like Greenbikekit are the cheapest if you buy them on their own ($11 a pair plus shipping).

I don't know how they work because they only work in one direction. They must detect the cable movement somehow.

Is it possible to use the hidden wire brake sensors with hydraulic disks? I dimly remember having read some time ago that the HWBS only works with non-hydraulic disks.

 

[Arbol]

Has anybody tried this?

http://www.b-t-n.cn/product/1471781843-220560401/BTN_electric_bike_hydralic_bike_brake_sensor.html

 

[dingrels]

I use this one:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HWBS-Brake-sensor-for-ebike/754341315.html

I also have the BMSBattery one. But I like this one better because It is smaller than the BMSbattery one and you can choose the cable exit direction when you order it depending on how you want it fitted. It cost me USD28 for a lot of four units plus shipping.

For those users who have limited current capacity in your 5V supply (e.g. running it on a Cycle Analyst), the specs says it draws up to 20mA in the 'on' state which seems a lot higher than the BMSBattery one which quotes less than 4mA. But when I tested it, the current draw was about the same as the BMSBattery one.

 

[Cyclebutt]

I use this one:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HWBS-Brake-sensor-for-ebike/754341315.html

I also have the BMSBattery one. But I like this one better because It is smaller than the BMSbattery one and you can choose the cable exit direction when you order it depending on how you want it fitted. It cost me USD28 for a lot of four units plus shipping.

For those users who have limited current capacity in your 5V supply (e.g. running it on a Cycle Analyst), the specs says it draws up to 20mA in the 'on' state which seems a lot higher than the BMSBattery one which quotes less than 4mA. But when I tested it, the current draw was about the same as the BMSBattery one.

Thanks, dingrels. Bookmarked!