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john61ct said:Might be best to leave the BMS alone
and use a dedicated balancer unit that will do a better job at that function anyway
Those aren't "balance chargers".eikido said:I'm very sorry @john61ct, i missed those balance chargers in the previous post, sorry
john61ct said:Those aren't "balance chargers".eikido said:I'm very sorry @john61ct, i missed those balance chargers in the previous post, sorry
They are "balancers" or sometimes "not protective BMS". Some do not require working with a charge source at all, they shuttle excess energy from the high cells to the low ones until everything is even, and work at whatever SoC point you prefer.
I would learn more about them maybe start a thread asking for feedback from any members that have owned them, before actually purchasing any.
And yes, most target getting cells within 3-5 mV, nearly 0.1V is a fair bit.
Could try bringing it up manually a bit with a suitable charge source, see how you go in the meantime.
Maybe even try a cheaper adjustable BMS just hook it up as needed while charging for balancing purposes.
Is the pack of a type where atomizing the cells to deal with them isolated would be a pain?
Is the pack of a type where atomizing the cells to deal with them isolated would be a pain?
john61ct said:Is that a cell or a group?
Yes indicates weakness, IMO needs atomized load testing likely replacement
unless you're willing to let that cell / group capacity dictate the (much reduced) range of the whole pack
eikido said:After i fully charged the pack (cell 11=4.04v) and waited one day, cell 11 dropped to 4.00v (compared to highest cell voltage of 4.13v).
So i balanced cell 11 to 4.13v and after one day, it dropped to 4.06v.
The other cells have held their voltage for two days (one cell dropped 0.02v which should be ok).
Does this say anything or is this normal?
fechter said:eikido said:After i fully charged the pack (cell 11=4.04v) and waited one day, cell 11 dropped to 4.00v (compared to highest cell voltage of 4.13v).
So i balanced cell 11 to 4.13v and after one day, it dropped to 4.06v.
The other cells have held their voltage for two days (one cell dropped 0.02v which should be ok).
Does this say anything or is this normal?
You might want to repeat the test with the BMS unplugged. It's possible the BMS has a stuck-on balancing shunt. If you have good access to the BMS, you can also measure the voltage across all the balancing load resistors. They should be all zero.
zeccato said:Does the battery do less miles (km) than before?
zeccato said:I think that after 3 or 4 unloaded charges it will normalize, if charged up to at least 4v is fine, the difference is minimal.
In my opinion, I wouldn't do anything,
just sometimes the balance.
You use it for ebike?
What is a "cellog" to you these days?999zip999 said:I would put some sense wires on it for ez monitoring and balanceing with a cellog and I use una6 hru the sense wire charger. 5s 5s and 3s.
Really depends on the specific model BMS, they each differ.eikido said:Everything is fine from full charge (4.13v) down to ~3.5v and cell group 11 still stays well within tolerance.
I will try to rebuild this pack.
I'm trying to find BMS specs when the BMS's shuts off when a group gets too much out of tolerance.
Does anyone know a rough number? 0.15v?