Raptor build - pre build stage

[ridethelightning]

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[ecruz]

LOL, that was a funny analogy. On the rotor strength not a problem, the whole is a tad up and centered no difference really from the current hole.

To drill the perfect aligned holes its easy bolt the cro break bracket on while its off the motor and the drill the new holes. Perfect alignment. This one pictured is an extra one, if anyone needs it I send it to you at whatever the current price it is if you anyone wants it just pm me the address to ship to. When I ordered it, by mistake I put two in cart. When I received them I figured well not a bad thing to have an extra and never sent it back.

 

[ecruz]

On another note, has any of you looked at this: See topic here on ES: Throttle Tamer - In stock now
This looks interesting. Tame the throttle a little what do you guys think? I am hoping Max-e coming out will include a good throttle wouldn't that be a nice product surprise!

 

[mushymelon]

On another note, has any of you looked at this: See topic here on ES: Throttle Tamer - In stock now
This looks interesting. Tame the throttle a little what do you guys think? I am hoping Max-e coming out will include a good throttle wouldn't that be a nice product surprise!

Its a great product I run at 24s and this little gismo made it so much better.
I often ride tight singles and without the tamer it was hard to control very jerky and always surging me of the track. The power is still there if you go wot but you can a slope it to gradually increase you acceleration.

Theres another dial to ignore small throttle changes. This is the feature I like the best.

Example: Rough terrain roots and rocks on the edge of a cliff around a tight bend all those impacts transferred to the throttle was causing unwanted acceleration at the wrong time.

I have put mine to the test for a year now still works great.

Just buy one you won't regret it.

Mushy

 

[ecruz]

Thanks! Good to hear if the Max-E doesn't come with a throttle when released I will be getting one.

 

[Dark Knight]

Those throttle tamers have me curious as well...just wondering what the MaxE does to cater for twitchy throttle...? I seem to remember someone posting that when they got the MaxE they could take the throttle tamer out of the loop which removed a potential fail point (not a dig at the throttle tamer at all - just as soon as you add new switches/units/controls into a process, they are immediately potential fail points).

I suspect that the MaxE can deal with the gradual throttle (i.e. removes twitchiness from immediate throttle application) however I haven't heard of it having a function to deal with small throttle changes which is why mushymelon likes it...and I can understand why. It's all but impossible to keep the wrist/thumb in one perfect position when applying the throttle, and having a small discreet unit that deals with those little variations and irons them out I see as a huge benefit...particularly in diffcult terrain...and at speed.

I'm awating ecruz to be the guinea pig here (MaxE and throttle tamer combo) - hurry it up man!

 

[ridethelightning]

cant rally compare from experience ofcourse,
but i can say the max-e +magura throttle is really smooth. aswell as the smooth start feature, that wont give high torque on startup....below a set speed, by adjusting the throttle sensitivity in the display, id say that would pretty much give you all the mild throttle characteristics youd need.

the way iv got mine set, i can cruise along over bumps, the throttle can slop back and forth a bit, but wont give noticable twitches in effect/acceleration. only when i really unwrap it a bit do the herbs flow forth

 

[Dark Knight]

Good feedback rtl - thanks mate. My plan was to just get the MaxE, see how it treated me and move on from there.
My current head scratcher is what throttle to get...do I go the Magura (mixed reviews - what's your experience...?), the Domino Pot (supposedly better quality but still a pot...with the inherent advantages and disadvantages that comes with), get a gwhy hall sensor box and just choose any cable driven throttle...or wait and see what the Adaptto lads come up with and use a 'cheapie' thumb throttle in the interim. Oh the choices...

 

[ecruz]

I am in the same boat Dark Night. I have a Crystalite throttle and since I have to wait for the Max then I will see how it reacts or if they come out with a throttle. If twitchy then Ill get the Tamer and or another throttle. Anybody used the Crystalite is it same as the Magura I have heard of Magura failers etc. The Domino is $100+ dollars and seems like a ripoff.

 

[Dark Knight]

Damn....and I was relying on you being the guinea pig for the MaxE/throttle tamer combo... I do think it's the wise choice to get the MaxE, get a reasonable throttle and then figure out if the tamer is required. Those MaxEs just appear to be so damn configurable, and with the firmware upgrades they do, plus (if I'm not mistaken) you can hack the firmware (if you've got the programming knowledge - also voids warranty I would have thought) has me hoping you can achieve all the taming you want within the controller itself.

Also the fact that ridethelightning is pretty darn happy with it speakds volumes to me as well!

 

[ecruz]

Damn....and I was relying on you being the guinea pig for the MaxE/throttle tamer combo... I do think it's the wise choice to get the MaxE, get a reasonable throttle and then figure out if the tamer is required. Those MaxEs just appear to be so damn configurable, and with the firmware upgrades they do, plus (if I'm not mistaken) you can hack the firmware (if you've got the programming knowledge - also voids warranty I would have thought) has me hoping you can achieve all the taming you want within the controller itself.

Also the fact that ridethelightning is pretty darn happy with it speakds volumes to me as well!

Don't give up yet I might just be lol. Hey are you looking at this thread: "Battery assembly kit for 18650 cells - first prototype" See topic here on ES. He can have them made at our needed gauge if we have a few of us. This is something I have been contemplating with wire gauges on the parallel connections but this guy is having them made and thinking of going into the business of making them. Tesla does them this way and I have been following a YouTube series called VW eSamba bus of a guy who is making a VW bus run on 18650's and did a home version of this. For those of us the need safety due to bike locations etc. It seems like a very good implementation. The question now is will my spot welder handle it LOL

 

[Dark Knight]

I did read through that thread before, seems like quite an elegant solution he's coming up with. The place where a lot of us get batteries through, particularly in oz, supply the batteries already spot welded in parallel to whatever specification you want, already in the little plastic holders. All you then do is wire them up in series however you like and you're good to go. If I was getting cells only, definitely think I'd be having a good look at what he's doing though.

 

[ecruz]

Ah, ok didnt know that. Yes I got my pack bare cells.

 

[PRW]

I did read through that thread before, seems like quite an elegant solution he's coming up with. The place where a lot of us get batteries through, particularly in oz, supply the batteries already spot welded in parallel to whatever specification you want, already in the little plastic holders. All you then do is wire them up in series however you like and you're good to go. If I was getting cells only, definitely think I'd be having a good look at what he's doing though.

I didn't know this - DK, could you please pm me some info? Thanks

 

[Dark Knight]

I didn't know this - DK, could you please pm me some info? Thanks

Hey champ - how's tricks?

No need for PM - will post it right here. Supower Battery is the company and it is one that is pretty regularly used. You could probably get cells cheaper if you sourced directly from Alibaba...but that comes with it's own risks - Supepower are tried and tested and have a good reputation...which I'm pretty sure they're keen to retain. You can be pretty sure that the cells you order from them are the cells you'll get.

Have a look in this thread http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57291 or even the Raptor 'main' thread and there are some images of batteries received from Supower Batteries (I know that ridethelightning had posted a couple of images - try around page 41? in Raptor thread...). You can get these in any parallel size you want and they will come with nickel stripping already spot welded across the top and you then just need to grab some copper and solder/wire them in series. From what I can tell there is still somewhat of an art to this as you need to ensure that you don't overheat the already spot welded cells when doing the series wiring.

The solution that ecruz pointed (initiated by member circuit) is still a very good solution...but does require a level of spot welding to be done by the end user. No problems for ecruz as I see he managed to acquire himself what looks to be a pretty decent spot welder for a pretty decent price!

There's also another interesting solution that uses pressure rather than welding to achieve contact with individual cells - have a look here if you're interested http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57810

As always, I'm massively impressed with the ingenuity and effort that goes in to creating solutions to the various problems we are posed with - makes you all warm and fuzzy about what the human race can achieve when it works collaboratively.

 

[PRW]

thanks DK, that's very useful info. I am back in Perth....

 

[ridethelightning]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UrKvoZ-oyxQ

heres some nice spotwelding action in russia!

(from gt e-drive from russia thread on es)

 

[ecruz]

As always, I'm massively impressed with the ingenuity and effort that goes in to creating solutions to the various problems we are posed with - makes you all warm and fuzzy about what the human race can achieve when it works collaboratively.[/quote]

I have been thinking of the same thing myself! It also makes it alot more fun! At the end a proud moment of what we achived collaboratively together!

 

[ecruz]

Damn....and I was relying on you being the guinea pig for the MaxE/throttle tamer combo... I do think it's the wise choice to get the MaxE, get a reasonable throttle and then figure out if the tamer is required.

Well DN I went ahead and ordered it. Figured no throttle coming out from Adappto and do not want to stop project to wait later so:

P.S. That's you in the back! LOL

 

[ridethelightning]

good one ecruz!

the adaptto throttle can wait. pretty much any throttle on that thing is awesome.

 

[Dark Knight]

:lol: classic pic ecruz.
Will hopefully be posting a wee bit of an update soon...we're almost onto the build phase...

 

[ecruz]

Received the throttle tamer today.

 

[Dark Knight]

Time for another quick update peeps. I was hoping to change the title to 'build stage' however although my frame has 'arrived', it is in Sydney and I'm in Perth....to give many of you a more internationally recognised geographical perspective, the frame is in New York and I'm in Los Angeles...
Note - not as a fault of Qulbix

Many of the other parts have arrived - just waiting on the front forks, rear shock (ordered), batteries and controller...i.e. the expensive stuff... :lol:

Anyhoo, thought I'd just take the opportunity to test uploading of pictures...so here goes... (apologies for the 70s porn graininess of the workbench pic...or is it just to set the mood...?)


The workbench, this is where the action (will) happen



The other workbench, the is where the other action (used to) happen...



Crikey I hope the missus doesn't read this stuff...

 

[Animalector]

awesome fireplace next to the bed. hope red-hot ash doesn't pop out at you...

 

[Mammalian04]

No, the new age pimp uses LED lights for the fireplace powered by extra cells that wouldn't fit in the frame. That fireplace can run for months!

Ha ha, I kid. I really hope they all fit because I want to copy!!!!