The End of Facebook as We Know it?

[Dauntless]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/tech/facebook-antitrust-lawsuit-ftc-attorney-generals/index.html

Facebook itseldf would remain intact, but the serious muscle might be gone and maybe the ogre really would be tamed.

But when the government broke up Standard Oil into Mobil, Esso/Exxon, I don't know was Texaco one of the many? Monopolies aren't all bad, (Standard Oil really wasn't a monopoly, they were a WELL RUN low price leader) the higher prices after the breakup speaks volumes. Same thing happened breaking up AT&T and created 400% higher phone bills.

But aren't we all thinking this lawsuit couldn't happen to a nicer guy?

 

[The fingers]

Next in the radar: twittler.

 

[nicobie]

Bye

 

[ZeroEm]

Facebook Who? have not been on it in 8 years. Moved 2 years ago and tried to get back on but my location does not match. I humped thru the hoops to prove who I am and they clam that I can log in but can not. So no loss to me.

 

[markz]

There is ZERO need for Facebook IMHO
I never liked Facebook from the beginning, yes I've had accounts but never used it often because I knew Facebook sold my data.

 

[Dauntless]

You're not understanding: Facebook itself will be intact, the government will take away Instagram, What's App, etc. Will the lack of strong arm potential make Facebook likeable again?

 

[markz]

Likeable to whom, 100's of millions love Facebook, a great percentage are addicted to their devices because of programs like Facebook, Twitter and others. What could Zoom be doing behind the scenes to collect data, what about the apps on your phone that track you. Joe Rogan had Snowden on in mid sept 2020 with 10M views. He talks about lots of interesting ways the spying occurs.

You're not understanding: Facebook itself will be intact, the government will take away Instagram, What's App, etc. Will the lack of strong arm potential make Facebook likeable again?

 

[leisesturm]

Likeable to whom, 100's of millions love Facebook, a great percentage are addicted to their devices because of programs like Facebook, Twitter and others. What could Zoom be doing behind the scenes to collect data, what about the apps on your phone that track you. Joe Rogan had Snowden on in mid sept 2020 with 10M views. He talks about lots of interesting ways the spying occurs.

You're not understanding: Facebook itself will be intact, the government will take away Instagram, What's App, etc. Will the lack of strong arm potential make Facebook likeable again?

ALL programs, utilities, social media, and other peripherals a person may use 'sell your data'. Your printer 'sell's your data' to ink or toner manufacturers that they partner with. Hating on Facebook in particular makes no sense, but lot's of people do anyway. I neither love nor loathe Facebook. I just have no need for it in my life. They don't have any of my data to sell because I don't give them any. But Google? I'm on Google every single day. I am on Amazon at least once a week. I use Flickr to host my photos. Unless you simply do not own a Smartphone OR a computer and go completely off grid, your data is going to be collected and sold. And if you think clicking on "don't allow" when Google Maps asks if they can use your location data ... fughedaboutit. They may do so anyway. They were caught red handed doing just that, this year, and paid a HUGE fine, like the equivalent of a $65.00 ticket for a busted taillight for the average person.

 

[markz]

Credit card companies know a lot about your bad habits. When your hitting the liquor store or weed store a little too often, casinos to.

United Kingdom has facial recognition camera's, China more so. I believe Vancouver has them to, in its train stations. Installed when the olympics rolled thru.

What else, what else. New cars now have tracking, older ones just had OnStar and insurance companies want you to install a device to track your driving for lower rates.

What else, what else. Ah yes, highways have bluetooth tracking, thats why you get the travel times on highway signs to certain cross roads.

License plate readers, parking patrol, police license plate scanners. I know UK has them, Alberta is doing it now to.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7506302/alberta-licence-plate-expiry-stickers-reflective-plates/
So automated scanners like the UK has on its highways.

The reflective plates are more easily scanned by automated licence plate readers, which will assist law enforcement agencies in validating licence plate registration roadside, according to the province.

No year stickers to put on anymore.

Google owns, Gmail, youtube, Google Maps, Google Nest
https://www.thebalance.com/what-do-google-and-alphabet-own-4778819
Longer list - https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/z-list-brands-companies-google-alphabet-owns-article-1.2321981

Then theres Amazon's IoE's
Apple's Siri
They listen in to your every word, every conversation.

Now, stores can even have body temperature sensors in their cctv camera's.
Grocery stores, malls, department stores, any store can have eye movement camera's, store movement trackers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/cadillac-fairview-mall-location-tracking-1.4775990

This mall directory at Chinook Centre in Calgary has a camera embedded within it, as circled in red on the left. Cadillac Fairview says it has stopped using facial recognition software on these directories for now. (Anis Heydari/CBC)

ALL programs, utilities, social media, and other peripherals a person may use 'sell your data'. Your printer 'sell's your data' to ink or toner manufacturers that they partner with. Hating on Facebook in particular makes no sense, but lot's of people do anyway. I neither love nor loathe Facebook. I just have no need for it in my life. They don't have any of my data to sell because I don't give them any. But Google? I'm on Google every single day. I am on Amazon at least once a week. I use Flickr to host my photos. Unless you simply do not own a Smartphone OR a computer and go completely off grid, your data is going to be collected and sold. And if you think clicking on "don't allow" when Google Maps asks if they can use your location data ... fughedaboutit. They may do so anyway. They were caught red handed doing just that, this year, and paid a HUGE fine, like the equivalent of a $65.00 ticket for a busted taillight for the average person.

 

[Dauntless]

I haven't been able to watch video on my computer in days, posting this from my phone. Sounds interesting, anyway.

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[markz]

Well why is that?

I haven't been able to watch video on my computer in days,

 

[Dauntless]

My DSL wasn't good before covid then went in the bucket once people were home all the time. I'm posting on the phone. It just suddenly started playing the Douglas Murray video I'd been watching when it stopped a few days ago.

Just seems to be worse this week.

Now that I finally got to watch this GREAT presentation, it sort of relates to the whole Facebook/Youtube coverup policy, here it is:

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[Dauntless]

Let's see i guess I first tried it past noon, so it is less than 12 hours my AT&T internet has been down. Not so uncommon.

 

[markz]

Half a billion Facebook users' information posted on hacking website, cyber experts say

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/half-a-billion-facebook-users-information-posted-on-hacking-website-cyber-experts-say-1.5374107

 

[neptronix]

People will continue using it because it's designed intentionally to be addictive. That's the only reason. Wanton disregard for user safety and privacy be damned.

It seems the only thing that could really put a dent in it is government intervention, which i see as very likely to happen in the next few years.
I would have rather seen people adopt the many alternatives that exist instead out of consideration for the effects it has on them.

 

[John in CR]

People will continue using it because it's designed intentionally to be addictive. That's the only reason. Wanton disregard for user safety and privacy be damned.

This kind of stuff is fine to say, but heaven forbid someone talks about an entity funded by Facebook with millions that openly promotes racism and violent and destructive riots. I really don't understand the difference, because it's all part of us (the regular people) against THEM.

 

[Dauntless]

Here's exactly what you're talking about, but it won't matter.

He says they're talking about the people of the third world as a "Resource." Didn't he read '1984?' The indoctrination was about how you're not supposed to think of them as OTHER than that.

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[neptronix]

This kind of stuff is fine to say, but heaven forbid someone talks about an entity funded by Facebook with millions that openly promotes racism and violent and destructive riots. I really don't understand the difference, because it's all part of us (the regular people) against THEM.

You could say the same thing about most corporations - they probably have their hands in something you disagree with. That's why it's very important for us as consumers to vote with our dollars and our clicks as well.

There's no company called facebook without people providing content and data to them. But most would rather complain than act on their beliefs.

 

[markz]

I acted and deleted my facebook account.
Others can delete their facebook account to, but they won't because they are addicted.

 

[John in CR]

This kind of stuff is fine to say, but heaven forbid someone talks about an entity funded by Facebook with millions that openly promotes racism and violent and destructive riots. I really don't understand the difference, because it's all part of us (the regular people) against THEM.

You could say the same thing about most corporations - they probably have their hands in something you disagree with. That's why it's very important for us as consumers to vote with our dollars and our clicks as well.

There's no company called facebook without people providing content and data to them. But most would rather complain than act on their beliefs.

I agree completely, but I'm confused. Including the different corporate forms of BLM around the country and the world that has sucked in about $100million in donations from people who think they'll do something good for black people with it, but instead that money has gone to purchase multiple million dollar homes and has done nothing to help those actually in need.

While yes we have to vote with our $ to protest the for profit entities, it's not enough because of their influence and control over the media.

The part I don't understand is why when I start a thread along similar lines, using language far more tame than used freely without issue for years by others here against a sitting president of the US (much of which has be subsequently proven to be pure propaganda), but my thread gets locked immediately. I tolerate significant inequities against me, but this feels excessive.

 

[Dauntless]

I really don't understand the difference, because it's all part of us (the regular people) against THEM.

But most would rather complain than act on their beliefs.

The part I don't understand is why when I start a thread along similar lines, using language far more tame than used freely without issue for years by others here against a sitting president of the US (much of which has be subsequently proven to be pure propaganda), but my thread gets locked immediately. I tolerate significant inequities against me, but this feels excessive.

I think it's contained in that one sentence that Neps has stated so many times in so many ways. He sees those threads as an idle complaint. Then back to your own precursor just remember that there are those who show up and make a big deal that they are not willing to see you as part of their 'Us.' Note all the excuses they made about how you don't count.

To add my own thought I'm sure their were some number of the flying monkey posts that were bots. Which explains some of your oft mentioned 'They can't even form a coherent argument.' So if you start the thread, YOU'LL BRING THE BOTS BACK! (GASP!) Ever see the Hitchcock film, 'The Birds?'

If you want to understand that better, you can watch the video where they SUDDENLY comment on a 3 year old story. The article is dated April 16, 2018 and their report is April 23, 2021. But at least they're covering the fact that everyone else ignored the story.

And I'm saying this is what makes it so hard for you, especially since it is of course people like you the bot farms intend to target. And no board is too small or insignificant, because the bots make it so easy. You say you feel the inequity, that is indeed what they're trying to create, and yes they succeed.

Although I'm still happy to find a way to blame Facebook, if someone can think of one for me.

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[neptronix]

John;

You have significant inequities against you because you are one that is involved in an inordinate amount of fueling the flames and have even openly stated you think an ideological war between the left and right is necessary here.

I've told you this and also told you where the line was multiple times.
If you still don't understand then just stop talking about partisan political issues on this forum. Same goes for everyone else.

 

[markz]

Yes, blame facebook for sensoring 110%, same goes for youtube, and the other social media platforms.
Facebook can't even get the bots off their platform.
Facebook can't even get the multi-account holders off their platform.
Facebook can't do a lot of things because they don't care to do it because they are making to much money. They will only do something and take action when it hurts their reputation.

 

[John in CR]

Neptronix,

That still doesn't explain to me how complaining about Facebook (upon which we agree) and complaining about BLM and its riots (funded by Facebook and committing the dirtier side of the same thing as Facebook) are somehow 2 different things with one allowed and one disallowed.

I believe you mistake my posts as trying to stir things up. That's not the intention at all. My intention instead is only to share the truth. For years people have been allowed to share lies and disinformation here without consequence. Shortly before the election my attention was drawn here and I started posting. As long as I'm not spreading disinformation or disparaging other members, then why should I be singled out as providing inappropriate content as long as I'm no longer taking potshots at individuals with a high probability of being diagnosed with mental illness?

I could understand wanting to silence me if these posts were public and the truth was drawing unwanted attention to the forum, but this section requires membership to access (a smart idea), so what we post is just between those of us here.

 

[John in CR]

I really don't understand the difference, because it's all part of us (the regular people) against THEM.

But most would rather complain than act on their beliefs.

The part I don't understand is why when I start a thread along similar lines, using language far more tame than used freely without issue for years by others here against a sitting president of the US (much of which has be subsequently proven to be pure propaganda), but my thread gets locked immediately. I tolerate significant inequities against me, but this feels excessive.

I think it's contained in that one sentence that Neps has stated so many times in so many ways. He sees those threads as an idle complaint. Then back to your own precursor just remember that there are those who show up and make a big deal that they are not willing to see you as part of their 'Us.' Note all the excuses they made about how you don't count.

Even if I was posting unfounded or trivial complaints, doesn't that comprise the majority or at least a large % of the posts in this section? I believe mine are singled out soley because they are a minority point of view, so as long as I refrain from disparaging other members, and don't encourage or promote violence or other despicable actions, why shouldn't I be able to post them? It's not like I post anything that could be successfully prosecuted as "objectionable untruths" or considered racist in any way, despite the fact that those in the majority get away with posting both without consequence.