The perfect battery for safe

That IS a good battery find. While poking around the website further I also fount this http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4205 12Ah at a better price point but slower charge and discharge. Looks like it'll be worth while to keep checking batteryspace for new products. The stated "standard" charge rate and cycle life is a bit low. Hopefully that's just due to good business sense and not limitations of this specific LiFePo4 blend.

Marty

P.S. http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4204 is also interesting
 
Batteryspace has had questionable quality cells in the past and I am afraid with the cell spec of 500 cycles to 80% they still aren't quite there yet. Some of the better lifepo4 cells on the market are getting 2000+ cycles in tests (a123, Life Batt). A123 cells are as cheap as 10 dollars a cell for 3.3v at 2.4ah and Life batt Cells which are 10ah are $55 a cell.
 
LFP26650EV Hi Energy Rechargeable 3.2V 3200mAhrs

http://store.peakbattery.com/lfp26.html

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Product Description

Our new EV rechargeable patented Li Iron Phophate battery that can handle over 12 Amps continous and 28 Amps for at least 30 seconds. This battery has the highest energy in it's class. The nominal operating voltage is 3.2 volts and 3200mAhrs at C/5 discharge. Add $2.00 per battery if you would like tabs welded to battery. The internal impedance is less than 19 mohms. This battery is 26.2 mm D x 65.2 mm H and it weights 82 grams.

Sale price: $11.50

This is looking really good... roughly equal to the SubC NiMh if you consider lifetime usage.
 
True, the fact that it's Batteryspace holds me back from trying them on, but not because of their past questionable quality, that much I can deal with.
From reading about people's experiences with them I estimate an average 5% typical failure rate & would simply buy a few more cells, adjusting the cost per cell accordingly.

Basically I'm looking at these from the standpoint as an alternative to nimh, so 500 cycles doesn't bother me so much.
Their specs & adcopy it seems a lot of the time are cut and pasted from their existing products
So the 500 figure I think they just stuck in there becuz they probably don't really know one way or the other & is likely higher just based on the chemistry alone, but again, can't really know for certain.
It's nebulous & inconsistent specs like this that bother me more than their quality & gives me pause to have confidence in their product.


But my purpose in focusing on the D-size is becuz I'm in the same boat as safe.
I have an existing enclosure requirement/restriction that only D cells (or smaller) will fit.
A123 would probably be my only choice if they were available in anything (like 2mm) shorter, regardless of cost.
AFAIK this is a first for lithium phosphate (or high rate discharge lithium of any flavour) in these 3 standard form factors.
Plus you don't have the added overhead cost of time extracting the cells from existing packs, which you have to factor into the $10 price of the A123 for an even comparison.
 
This is getting good.

Johnnie Stoker (K2 Energy) has a patent for making batteries, assigned to Valence.
K2's President/CEO, Johnnie Stoker, was responsible for commercialization of the first phosphate based cathode material and battery launched in 2002. He also set up operations in China for expansion into low cost production. K2 has assembled a fully capable and proven management team with over 40 direct years of battery manufacturing and R&D experience.
http://www.peakbattery.com/aboutus.html


http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm
query: IN/johnnie+AND+IN/stoker


Game on, kids...

:lol:
 
There is no perfect battery. They all have flaws. Lot's of "new" foreign batteries have come. People go into hysteria as hype builds on this forum. They go to sleep at night thinking and dreaming about it. Then they can't take it anymore and buy it in hopes of finding the "magic" battery. As if its "everlasting life"; the "holy grail." Only to become quickly dissapointed because of defects, bad design and quality control issues during overseas manufacturing. Then they are saddened and learn the hard way as it was a big waste of money. If they are lucky, they get there money back. :mrgreen:
 
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http://zeva.com.au/tech/K2/

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These guys seem pretty knowledgable and having independent reviews helps build confidence. But at some point someone will have to dive in and take the chance.

It might be me... :)
 
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