UK will be electric bike capital of the world!

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The Government is planning to subsidise electronic bicycles for pensioners and commuters as part of plans to massively increase cycling through a £2billion anti-obesity drive.

The e-bikes are like regular bikes but have a small motor usually hidden in the frame to aid travel uphill or on longer journeys.

Ministers hope the programme will help those who are less fit or older to get back in the saddle.

They could be given up to a third off the £600 - £3,000 cost of a new machine to entice them to take more exercise or leave the car at home.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8565997/Doctors-prescribe-bicycles-2billion-drive-tackle-obesity.html

No doubt there will be some screaming from the motorists, about riders being tax dodgers, a menace to pedestrians, and causing pollution by holding up kilometers of cars behind them...

But if executed well, this could set the UK as a world leader in getting first world people onto electric bikes.
 
It's the UK. It will NOT be executed well lol.

I work for a government org, my wife used to work for County Council. It is scary how completely frocking useless the council is. How much money is wasted, how corrupt they are. Shocking.

The government will spend billions of our money on achieving very little.

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Pretty sure everyone thinks that of their own government ;) That said, I've been working in selling IT into government for the last 12 years, and the lower you go down the chain, the more true it is. Federal government will squeeze every last dollar of discount out of you, then demand more features after it's sold... Local councils - well, let's just say more than once, I've sold them over $100k of IT equipment, gone for the annual renewal fees a year later and found them sitting still in the box under someone's desk, with a blank stare from the engineer trying to remember which project they bought it for...

That said, it's a step in the right direction, even if it's hugely inefficient. Hope Australia does something similar. It's gaining momentum. 10 years ago, I had the only electric bike and had every man and his dog curious. 1 year ago, only 1 in 10ish were electric bikes. Now it's 9 in 10ish - most doing Uber Eats deliveries, but hey, if it's getting that critical mass of cyclists, I'm not complaining.
 
True, very true.

Inefficiency is still progress I guess.

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goatman said:
or theyre trying to kill cull the herd

:lol: :lol:

This reminds me, now they are leaving the EU, might as well upgrade to US 20mph(32kph) speed limit for ebikes instead of 15.5mph(25kph)...

Would make it much more easy to remain high power and stealth.
 
incentives to ride?
in UK?
where UK government expect all those unfit to ride ?
narrow dangerous roads?
first UK needs bicycle infrastructure to build and extend ,
UK look at Germany bicycle pathways.
 
Does the UK even have bicycle lanes outside London?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/27/cycling-ambitions-for-england-move-up-a-gear-with-no-10-plans
riding a bike for transport remains distinctly niche, with only 1-2% of all trips across the UK made via cycling, a figure unchanged for years.



Then what about the alcohol drinking culture in the UK and the drink driving (as they call it) problem.
 
I can tell you I was there
I was visiting UK - little room everwhere , yes they have pathways in biggest cities but nothing even close to Germany countryside network of pathways.
 
We do have cycle paths but they're scattered and not linked together. Nothing like Holland or Germany.

Reason I say this will never happen is a project my wife was working on.

Government had set aside £4million for this county council to fund infrastructure improvements like more cycle paths.

All the council needed to do was present government with proposals and they'd be funded.

Guess how much the council asked for. £600k. Because the people in the council were too lazy to do the work to come up with proposals.



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markz said:
Does the UK even have bicycle lanes outside London?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/27/cycling-ambitions-for-england-move-up-a-gear-with-no-10-plans
riding a bike for transport remains distinctly niche, with only 1-2% of all trips across the UK made via cycling, a figure unchanged for years.



Then what about the alcohol drinking culture in the UK and the drink driving (as they call it) problem.
Drink driving will roll over to Ecycling lol. You'll have a bunch of piss heads cycling into the river, across traffic. Carnage.

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Government politicians exist to serve multi billionaires and multi millionaires, those who pay them.

Thus it has always been, thus it will always be.

What's in it for those who pay the politicians?
 
MikeSSS said:
Government politicians exist to serve multi billionaires and multi millionaires, those who pay them.

Thus it has always been, thus it will always be.

What's in it for those who pay the politicians?

That's true to 80% other 20% is about getting elected, if they think bike paths are good publicity, they will do bike paths, just to be able to answer the question, "what have you done in terms of city transportation to increase social distancing?"

Of course they don't care, but they want to be able to give a half believable answer to that question.
 
Maybe now that boris is in charge it will be different?
He rides bikes
 
monster said:
Maybe now that boris is in charge it will be different?
He rides bikes

There is quite a push now from multiple angles. Aside from building and re-laning projects, doctors can now prescribe sports, including biking and you get help buying it, there is also a gov 50 pound voucher to fix a non working bike.

I have no idea with a different leadership if they would be pushing harder or less, but I do think there is some ugly truth about EU car manufacturers being very happy the EU ebike limit is only 25kph vs 32kph of other places, severely handicapping them from competing with electric cars as a future mode of transport.
 
I had a friend at uni who was hardcore socialist. Like really hard core. She felt that the world's wealth should be shared equally. I pointed out, that at the time, if the world's GDP was divided equally among all the citizens at the time, we'd have about $7k USD to spend a year each. And although we did debate a little about whether idle or inefficient labour would mean that the world GDP would rise if nutrition and education was made available to the most poor, she was also a hardcore greenie, and was opposed to pumping up more oil or cutting down more trees for farmland/houses etc.

What was the point of all that? Well, my point back then, to which I still hold - is that for the poor to become rich, at least to some degree the rich must become poorer. China, despite its massive jumps in wealth, still cannot afford (and does not desire) one car for every adult. The world's biggest market for electric bikes is China, with India not far behind growing at a CAGR of 43%.

At the same time, the developed world will have to wean itself off moving 1.2-2.5 tonnes of metal and plastic to shift a 70kg (or if we make this about obesity, 140kg?) body, as cities become more dense, there's fewer places to park, and apparently - in Australia at least, owning a car is no longer the rite of passage it used to be, and it's an expense that the young can no longer afford. While the cost of cars have plateaued, the cost of running a car has not, and youth unemployment and underemployment with longer periods in casual and minimum wage/zero hour contract jobs were rising even before Covid.

And despite that article, and Boris' intention of making this about obesity... I think this is a trend that can only be delayed, not stopped. The old may complain they can't cycle, but the young have no excuse and no money for alternatives. And when they turn 40, 50, 60, and have been cycling most their life, they're not going to think too much about "But I'm too old to be doing my weekly shop on a bike". They would have grown up the past 20, 30, 40 years having done it already.
 
Sunder said:
she was also a hardcore greenie, and was opposed to pumping up more oil or cutting down more trees for farmland/houses etc.

Yet I bet she is using plastics, driving cars, taking airplanes, using grid power instead of buying solar and how many plastic bags would she be throwing out when she goes grocery shopping. With no oil and gas how does she expect the semi's to carry all the goods to the stores. The "greenies" as you put are a funny lot.
 
I like the vegans who eat bacon and where leather shoes.

Vegan: I'm vegan
Me: but your eating a bacon sarnie.
Vegan: yes but I only eat bacon. No other animal products.
Me: [emoji2297]. Are those shoes leather?
Vegan: yes.
Me: [emoji2357]



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If the whole UK would have as many ebikes on the streets as only one Chinese big city, it would be an amazing achievement already. But, the only incitative measure that could make this happen, is shutting off gas supply. :mrgreen:
 
If petrol was expensive in Australia as it was in the UK, you wouldn't need to lock down our cities - nobody could go anywhere.

The consequence of a country that is 32 times bigger than the UK, but 1/3rd of its population, and a love for big V8s.

Oh, and did I mention we have no strategic reserve of petroleum? If it all goes pear shaped, food will rot on the vine in one town, when 100km away, a city will be starving. Not to worry, I'll just go by electric bike charged by solar panel. Will just need to figure out how to fight off the bandits. May have to re-watch Mad Max, and figure out how he did it.

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A lot of good ideas in mad max.

That could happen though. One town a chicken could be £1 another £30.

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To change people’s habits they need to be forced to, either by radical changes in supplies, or fear. Men are like small animals finally, who are resisting to changes until they need adapting to survive. Even then, men are much more likely to wear themselves trying to find new ways to continue their habits, than willingly adopting new habits.
 
MadRhino said:
To change people’s habits they need to be forced to, either by radical changes in supplies, or fear. Men are like small animals finally, who are resisting to changes until they need adapting to survive. Even then, men are much more likely to wear themselves trying to find new ways to continue their habits, than willingly adopting new habits.

Oh, you mean like a mandate by the government to wear a mask when you are near people and in public and a certain segment of the population refuses and protests, they get together in a party and wonder why everyones infected. Human nature doesnt want to change habits even if those habits are bad and unhealthy like eating junk food which England really needs to crack down on but its the big penny pinch now.
 
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