China ebikes/escooters, license/ban/confiscation/law

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In China's big cities like Shanghai, it's easy to spot motorcyclists. What few that there are stand out as they weave through streets near subway stations offering illegal taxi services, while others simply seem content to turn passers-by green with envy with their retro-style sidecar-equipped motorcycles favored mostly by expats or purring Harley-Davidsons. Their rarity is due in part to local government policies, which have either banned motorcycles or diminished their numbers because of safety and air-quality concerns. Another reason, however, is the stiff competition they face, and not just from the trusty bicycles for which China is renowned or the growing number of automobiles clogging the streets.

Electric bikes, or e-bikes, are pouring on to China's bicycle lanes and streets. While bicycle ownership in China is much higher, at 470 million, there's no denying the popularity of e-bikes, whose numbers have been growing steadily and now total 120 million. Annual e-bike sales jumped from 1.5 million in 2002 to four million in 2003, and recently hit 25.2 million a year.

But e-bikes may now be at a crossroad. Just like a host of other local industries, it's a highly fragmented, and thus inefficient, industry. It's also struggling to increase demand in new markets outside China, making it overly dependent on domestic sales -- 29.5 million e-bikes were manufactured in the country in 2010, of which 585,000 were for export, according to the China Bicycle Association (CBA), and Electric Bike Worldwide Reports (EBWR) says that of the roughly 29 million e-bikes sold worldwide, the U.S. and Europe accounted for only 80,000 and 1.02 million, respectively.

Revving Up

Up to now, one barrier after another has fallen in China to spur the industry's growth. In 1996, for example, Shanghai banned the use of gasoline-powered scooters. The internal combustion engine motorcycles seen in Shanghai today run on either liquefied petroleum gas (which are legal but their number is restricted) or a few are gasoline-powered motorcycles that have license plates from outside Shanghai.

Along with the ban on motorcycles in various cities other factors include 2003's SARS epidemic, which discouraged people from traveling on buses and subways out of fear of catching the bug; new housing and employment policies requiring longer commutes; increasing disposable incomes; and more and better cycling infrastructure, says Christopher R. Cherry, a civil and environmental engineering professor at University of Tennessee. Among the others he cites:

With the car prices still out of reach for many, e-bikes have become the Cadillacs of the working class. Equipped with removable batteries that can be charged easily at home or in the office, e-bikes are more like scooters and are classified as non-motor vehicles so they're exempt from the motorcycle restrictions in force in a number of cities.

There's also a plethora of e-bike companies vying for their business. China boasts more than 2,600 e-bike companies, most of whom simply assemble the kits that they have bought from other manufacturers. Only around60 are actual manufacturers.

The Sum of the Parts

For that reason, Ed Benjamin, managing director of Florida-based eCycleElectric Consultants, says some M&A activity has begun over the past few years and he foresees that gaining momentum. "I think this will continue until there are two or three large companies per province and a handful of small players, notes Benjamin, a 30-year veteran of the U.S. bicycle industry.

Others are less optimistic. "The current industry is so fragmented and so many companies will continue [entering it]," asserts Masatoshi Kojima, professor of business administration at Toyo University in Tokyo, who is also a research fellow at Toyo University's Research Center for Creative Management. "The key to changing this will be if Chinese consumers become more aware of the need for better-quality goods, including e-bikes," raising the barrier to entry.

As far as most e-bike companies in China are concerned, there's little incentive to change. With few foreign manufacturers competing against them in the country's e-bike market, it's easier -- and more profitable, at least over the short term -- to maintain the status quo.

But like in other industries in China, if its e-bike manufacturers do not move up the "value chain" and improve their products, the industry may start to dwindle, warns Benjamin. "Quality, especially consistency in quality, is the big problem," he says. "Too many Chinese businessmen think the way to make money is to shave cost from the bill of materials, which results in lower quality, and unhappy customers. They are very skilled at finding ways to reduce the cost of the goods they sell. To Chinese businessmen, this is good business."

According to Chi-Jen Yang, technology policy analyst at the Center on Global Change at Duke University, "It is the mainland culture. As long as Chinese consumers prefer lower price to higher quality, the quality of products made in China will not improve."

Looking Under the Hood

But that low quality isn't lost on consumers outside China. "The off-the-shelf, for-China-market e-bikes usually don't work," says University of Tennessee's Cherry. "Many outfits here in the States have imported containers of Chinese e-bikes [built for China] that usually don't meet U.S. safety standards and are low quality. They set up a storefront or online business and I've not seen many successes here."

Nonetheless, Benjamin says that some Chinese e-bike exporters -- such as Forever, Flying Pigeon, Guewer, Bashan and Yadea -- are showing signs of improvement. For inspiration, they may be looking toward Giant Bicycle, Merida Bike, Ideal Bike and Fairly Bike. These Taiwanese firms are designing their high-quality e-bikes at home, but manufacturing and exporting them from China. The result: They now dominate the global export market. "Taiwan has been selling normal bicycle products through their distribution channels for 30 years, so it is easy for them to add [e-bikes to their portfolio]," says Benjamin, who spent a number of years working with Taiwan suppliers. "The Taiwanese are very sophisticated and are good at international business."

The Taiwanese are not the only strong foreign presence in China. Accell Group and Gazelle, the larger and older brands in Europe, are importing e-bike parts from China. Meanwhile, Japanese firms such as Yamaha Motor or Honda Motor have joint ventures in China make high-quality e-bikes, largely for their home market, where scooters are as popular as they are China.

Hitting Potholes

But Chinese e-bike makers may have an advantage with one promising group of consumers -- in rural China, where some 800 million people live. "In the next five to 10 years, a key area to watch will be China's rural development," says Yang. So far, e-bikes have had little traction in the countryside, where there are few if any of the vehicle restrictions found in cities. "Whether e-bikes will be able to compete with gasoline-powered scooters in villages is going to be a key issue in the future of China's e-bike industry. I don't have an answer."

An important consideration is that e-bikes sold in China today have been designed for relatively short journeys and light loads rather than for rougher countryside conditions. Given a choice between gasoline-powered motorcycles and an e-bike, Benjamin says he knows which one a farmer would pick. "If a farmer wants to carry his pig to the market in rural areas, an e-bike is not as useful a tool as a gasoline motorcycle," he notes.

Outside cities, "trips are longer, speed limits are [higher], roads are rougher and e-bikes are less suitable," Cherry says. "I've been waiting for Chinese companies to come out with a really robust competitor to the low-cost Chinese motorcycle to compete in China and abroad. I've not seen much in that area yet."

But Li Zejian, a project research associate at Tokyo University's Manufacturing Management Research Center, says he is noticing more e-bikes in both the outskirts of cities and the countryside in China. The affordability of e-bikes is one of the big attractions. A gasoline-powered motorcycle costs from between RMB 5,000 and RMB 8,000 (US$788 and US$1,261), compared with a price tag of between RMB 1,500 and RMB 3,000 for an e-bike. What's more, some e-bikes can also cover reasonably long distance. "I was surprised to see that some e-bikes have a range of more than 100 kilometers on a single charge. Can you imagine? It means those e-bikes are powerful enough to even travel [the 100 kilometers] from Shanghai to Suzhou," says Li.

Yet it may be environmental and safety concerns rather than travel needs that lead the e-bike industry to retool products. In China and elsewhere, consumers are realizing that despite their relative energy efficiency and absence of direct carbon emissions, e-bikes are not as green as often thought. According to the CBA, 97.5% of the e-bikes produced every year in China use lead-acid batteries instead of less polluting lithium ion batteries. The former have been responsible for a rash of lead poisoning cases, and earlier this year, authorities cracked down on heavily polluting factories making them.

However, given the near universal reliance on lead-acid batteries, quick changes aren't likely. Lithium ion batteries are much lighter and last longer, but they are some 2.5 times more expensive than lead-acid batteries. Yet measured by average cost per kilometer traveled, the cost is, in fact, not much higher than lead, so the problem is actually one of overcoming the "sticker shock," says Cherry.

Bigger, Faster and More Dangerous

Even so, a slew of traffic accidents have prompted some cities to consider restrictions on e-bikes. "You don't have to observe any traffic lights or any traffic regulations and you can ride anywhere, even on the sidewalk," enthuses a salesman at an e-bike shop in a Shanghai suburb. "You don't even need a driver's license."

Often not as noisy as other vehicles and traveling unexpectedly fast, e-bikes can be dangerous. The death toll from accidents involving such two-wheelers reached more than 3,600 in 2009, compared with 2,500 in 2007. Regulations introduced in 1998 requiring e-bikes to weigh less than 40 kilos (88 pounds) and travel no faster than 20 kilometers per hour, but many on the road today are much heavier and faster than that. Neither manufacturers nor retailers are willing to heed the rules. E-cyclists are equally complicit.

"The 'bigger/faster' trend has been somewhat alarming, considering there are no requirements for licensing, age, insurance [and the like] for these things. And they still operate freely in bike lanes, sidewalks and so on," says Cherry. In a research paper on China's transition to e-bikes and its effect on travel, he recommended that the country require licenses for e-bikes to improve safety and control over the number of e-cyclists.

Central government efforts to address the issue have been met with local government resistance. China's Standardization Administration drafted new standards for e-bikes in 2009 stipulating that electric two-wheelers weighing more than 40 kilos and capable of travelling faster than 20 kilometers per hour be treated as motor vehicles, with mandatory insurance and driver's licenses and prohibited from bike lines. But the administration backed down when objections were raised that the standards would force hundreds of e-bike factories to close and unfairly penalize millions of e-cyclists.

That may not be the last of the debate, however. "I do not believe that the government will phase out electric bikes since they are so popular in China," predicts Frank Jamerson, publisher of EBWR in Michigan who retired from General Motors's electric vehicle project in 1993. "They will have more regulation to enhance safety and performance."

According to Cherry, the situation is a reflection of the general tension between the central and local governments. "At the end of the day, it will likely be a city-by-city policy decision, which makes it hard to tell where changes will occur," he says.


from 2009
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title says, "ebike illegal to carry passengers, owner argues with cop."
looks like they confiscated her ride...

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17 year old dies from crash on modified high speed ebike,
haikou

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video shows cop cracking down on unlicensed ebikes in Hong Kong
he says something about second one been dangerous...

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http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/bikes-06212013133351.html

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Hundreds of angry residents gathered outside a police station in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou on Friday after police impounded more than 100 electric bicycles in their district, protesters said.

Police in the city's Haizhu district fled after running into an angry crowd during a confiscation campaign aimed at enforcing a ban on the bikes which was first announced in 2007, local people tweeted to Chinese social media services.

Several hundred protesters then surrounded the local police station, calling for their bikes to be returned. Police later allowed people to take their bikes home again, residents said.

"The police have been checking electric bikes today, and a lot of people are unhappy about it," a Haizhu resident surnamed He whose bike was confiscated told RFA. "That's why they surrounded [the police station]."

The authorities had ordered the confiscations after the lack of parking spaces meant owners began parking the bikes on the street, but He said local people suspected the police had some financial interest the crackdown.

"They just take your bike away and then charge you five yuan a day storage," said He. "They're only doing it to get the money."

He said the confrontation took place in Haizhu's Kangle village, which is home to several thousand people, but spread over a wide area.

"It's a long way to go to the shops to buy groceries," he said. "A lot of villagers have bought electric bikes .... They're great for getting around on, or riding to work."

Police had later caved in and allowed people to collect their bikes, he said.

Banned bikes

An employee who answered the phone at a furniture store in the district confirmed accounts of the face-off.

"They started doing checks [for electric bikes] today ... and confiscating people's bikes," the employee said. "If they catch you, they'll take your bike away."

China is the world's largest manufacturer by far of electric bicycles, exporting parts, bikes, and motors worldwide, and millions of Chinese rely on them as a more affordable method of quick transport than a car.

But the near-silent bikes travel at speeds of up to 20 miles per hour (32 kilometers per hour) on urban cycleways and have been criticized as a menace to pedestrians.

In March, the Guangdong Bicycle Industry Association filed a petition to the ruling Chinese Communist Party in Beijing about plans to ban the bikes across the whole of Guangdong province.

The letter, signed by 110 companies and 9,000 consumers and enterprise staff members, cited China's Law on Road Traffic Safety, saying existing legislation doesn’t give the government the right to ban them from the streets.

Traffic police say most of the city’s electric bicycles don't measure up to quality and safety standards, however.

Reported by Lin Jing for RFA's Cantonese Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.
 
I don't understand the problem. In Suzhou, I saw like maybe one bicycle per 100 electric scooters. Never saw anyone harassed by police for their electric mopeds. It's really an eye-opening experience to see such adoption. The main roads have two lanes in each direction for cars, a lane on each side for scooters, and if there's room - a lane on each side for peds.

Scooters go bi-directional on these feeders. They are not allowed on the roads with cars, though many do it anyways.

In the 24 days I was on site, I saw only one motorcycle - looked like a Harley, and was loud. Idiot didn't even wear a helmet.

I'll dig around for a few pictures. Though evidently Suzhou is not like the cities discussed in this thread. I walked into a "Tesco" (urban shopping mall) and found a large footprint dedicated to selling electric mobility ranging form 1800 to 3300 RMB (6 RMB = $1 USD). A close look at the deluxe models looked like simple 48V hub drives.

I also took a picture of a charging station on one walkabout. Give me time to find the photos - I just got back stateside last Saturday.

Gānbēi! KF
 
Kingfish said:
In the 24 days I was on site, I saw only one motorcycle - looked like a Harley, and was loud.

see any gas scooters?

from what i read, in many major cities gas motorcycles and gas scooters are banned.
gas motorcycles are usually limited to 250cc
but these days, there are some higher powered motorcycle imported in, for the wealthier comrades...
 
In Chrome browser I hit the "translate Chinese to English" button but looks like its having trouble intercepting the video/audio and translating it to English..

Yeah crazy world, looking at some of those shots of traffic it looks like China needs way more traffic lights and yeah I am surprised by the chaos on the roads, if they are banning motorbikes/ebikes due to it making a place look poor I think the authorities should just as much be embarrassed by the general traffic chaos caused by the cars.

I can't help but predict that once they run out of car spaces which is the curse of the western world they might even out of bike laws and maybe allow them as long as they are modern and clean looking or something.

One of the main reasons I like bikes is I can bloody park the thing somewhere convenient to where I want to go.

I remember I told a co-worker from China that those small video shots I used to see on TV in the 80s/90s news where they were just tons of people on bicycles on the road and not a car in sight that that was the model of a city of the future.
She thought I was pretty much silly to say such a thing and couldn't of more disagreed.
 
re: gas scooters

Guys,

Yeah, I did see a few gassers but they were very rare, more rare than bicycles. In honesty, I was in awe when I discovered the amount of electric vehicles in all forms - really an impressive effort to convert to non-polluting transportation. But then I saw a wide assortment of gassers: Everything from 3-wheeled cargo haulers to powered wheel barrows. One contraption was hauling 2 yards of sand piled high in a one yard hauler just puttin' along on one reciprocating jug straight out of the 1910 :lol:

I've been itchin' to do a China thread after my experience; learned more in 2 days there than I've ever read about. But then I'm getting OT. I need to finish processing the photos; then we can have a fun discussion :)

Hao, KF
 
sk8norcal,

What a hog load of misinformation. Ebike/Escooters have transported China to #2 in the world. They have many many millions of workers making what the world wants and needs, and electrics have been a major player in getting those people to and from work. That won't change, and the lead pollution that has resulted from the past decade is now pushing China to lithium batteries to power their e-transport. This is good news for the rest of the world, and trying to snatch isolated issues in places like Hong Kong, which isn't real China, does a disservice to the truth.

Personally I see the partial millions of unit efforts by the Europeans in terms of E-transport as laughable. Sure you can find better engineered systems, but the prices they command are an absolute joke when it comes to adoptability. The Chinese will step in with something close to the same for a fraction of the cost and dominate the market.

The Chinese have such a commanding lead that the efforts of the rest of the world are a joke. This is especially true since the only serious contenders have their product manufactured in China.

I for one welcome what is coming. My attitude is that IP protection is bullshit and whoever can produce products for the lowest price should win. Of course that price should not include slave labor, but it's actually the largest most ridiculous companies such as Apple who have profited the most wrongly for the longest in this new age. Ebikes/Escooters are still this niche on the side that made it all possible, and even the Chinese unknowingly tried to help point your boy Obama in the right direction by gifting him a pair a ebikes at the beginning of his administration. Like most of the world he missed it.

What will happen over the next 12-18 months is the leap forward the Chinese will see in batteries. The largest EV market by far is China, but they can't afford much more than lead batteries. Guess what???? China is ramping up production of lithium batteries. Are they as good as the Japanese and Korean batts??? Maybe, but who cares if the price is $150-250/kwh??? Once the lower end of that spectrum is a reality for Chinese E-consumers, then the battle is won even if they don't have enough extra capacity for the rest of the world.

This is the kind of stuff that really pisses me off wrt A123, since they got a butt load of taxpayer money for free and still almost a decade after they were king of the hill, they still want way way over $500/kwh for capacity of batteries that are more than 50% heavier than they should be.

John
 
2009 Ebikes speed and weight restriction rule enforcement
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20161

thread about Shenzhen temporary ebike ban a couple years ago,
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29239#p425373

2012 shenzhen ebike rule enforcement
http://www.szonline.net/Channel/201204/20120417/529649.shtm
http://life.szonline.net/special/3387.html

title says shenzhen police destroys 3600 non-conforming escooterbikes
upload 2013
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Regulations introduced in 1998 requiring e-bikes to weigh less than 40 kilos (88 pounds) and travel no faster than 20 kilometers per hour


news report,
beijing ebike license plate, fake plates, non-conforming ebikes
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjEyNjkxNzY4.html
beijingcops inspecting ebike shops
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjA3NDgyMjIw.html

hainan, non-conforming ebikes
vendors removing speedo number readings
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjA5MjIwNTY0.html

nanning, ebikes now require licence plates
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk2ODc2NTg0.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk2NTIwODg4.html

cop says don't install sunshades on ur ebikes
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTkxOTY5Mjg0.html

Guangxi (in canto)
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjAxODc5NjA4.html

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTg5NzAzNjY0.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTYxNTI2MTIw.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQ3NzkxNjQ4.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQ0MjY4NTYw.html

cops making sure shops carry conforming ebikes
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzcyNjI4NzYw.html

Guangzhou reconsidering lifting bans on ebikes (enacted 2 years ago)
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjE3MjgzNTQw.html

beijing
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how to pick out an ebike, lithium vs sla
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjE5NDk0Njk2.html
 
news report about ebike/escooter fires
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjMwNjU4ODgw.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjMwNjU4NjQ0.html


Chongqing, ebike/escooter license requirement
(cop says cant be above 48v/40kg/20km)
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjI4NDc0MTcy.html


something about possible ebike rule change to 26km/55kg
(current standard 20km/40kg)
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjI0MTMxMjMy.html

shanghai, ebike license,
something about 3 year plan for non conforming ebikes
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjM0OTYxNzc2.html
 
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