formula101's Covid-19 topic

[formula101]

Toxic is the place to post panic-demic info or conspiracy theories or speculations about its cause.

Any post starts a fight, this thread gets locked. Take it to toxic.

Start typing all caps,, kinda fits the criteria. Post your links and don't fight, its all good. Start having a lively discussion questioning others opinions, its gonna get locked.

Lets have info, not speculations.

All the basic advice for fighting off colds and flu apply. Stuff like take your vitamins, especially C and B12, stay hydrated, sleep if you can. If its so bad you can't eat, just drink the chicken soup broth.

To not get it, don't pack into the bar, the gym, or work. Wash your hands after the store. Don't eat a burger that got coughed on by some nearly immune teen.

This is considered to be conspiracy theory as well.

 

[formula101]

The only real solid data we have for “death % “ is from the Diamond Princess cruise ship where we know that the entire 3700+ passengers and crew were tested, of which 712 were confirmed cases, and 7 were deaths. (0.2% death ratio of the population)

7/712 is actually 0.8%. However, cruise ship passenger age median is 65. For genpop in US, it's 38. In other words, shittymexicanbeervirus is generic flu virus. A bit worse perhaps, but probably not.

Sure, ..but 7/3700 is 0.2%.
..And that is the ONLY figure you can compare to other locations, because the only firm data we have is actual deaths and total population ( same as with the common flu !)

It has been reported that S Korea tested “all” its popiulation (51m, hard to believe !) but if true and with <100 deaths to date that would be a ratio of 1 in 500,000. !!
Even if they only tested 10% of the population, the death ratio would still only be 1 in 50,000

The point is, shittybeer really only hits those with compromised respiratory systems and the elderly. The total deaths are tiny, especially in comparison to the regular flu.

 

[Punx0r]

Peer reviewed journals are not fringe sources. My opinions are based upon medical reality, yours on hysteria and hate.

You mean Youtube videos and opinions that would be impossible to produce whilst sitting down.

I don't actually care what you think (literally no one does) but posting potentially harmful misinformation on a public forum in a time of a global health crisis is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged. Just go away.

 

[Dauntless]

Hey, nice thread of just updates and no sensationalizing or hatefullness. As though we could ever see such things around here.

By the way, the National Guard assists all the time,that is in no way "Martial Law."

 

[formula101]

Peer reviewed journals are not fringe sources. My opinions are based upon medical reality, yours on hysteria and hate.

You mean Youtube videos and opinions that would be impossible to produce whilst sitting down.

I don't actually care what you think (literally no one does) but posting potentially harmful misinformation on a public forum in a time of a global health crisis is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged. Just go away.

No sources, no information, no "information" of any kind: just name calling and hysteria. Are you a grown man or a little girl?

 

[formula101]

Notice how the southern border is not. Canadians and Europeans can't get in, Mexicans, Central Americans and South Americans are welcome. What a disgraceful hypocrite Trump has been.

 

[mark5]

Ok formula101, now you've got your own soapbox.

 

[formula101]

Open to anyone with facts and logic.

 

[HK12K]

Ok formula101, now you've got your own soapbox.

:lol:

You're alright Mark.

:lol:

 

[Punx0r]

Ok formula101, now you've got your own soapbox.

Not even in the Toxic section. Says it all really, doesn't it?

 

[formula101]

Ok formula101, now you've got your own soapbox.

Not even in the Toxic section. Says it all really, doesn't it?

Absolutely. This is what happens when you cite and summarize peer reviewed scientific research.

Meanwhile, you have contributed absolutely nothing.

 

[formula101]

As I pointed out in the CA thread, shittybeer is not the threat, it is smoking and industrial pollution. Once those who are compromised with one and especially both, are infected with either regular flu or some variant of shittybeer, then they are in trouble.

Vancouver BC has very low rates, despite an enormous Chinese population. Australia, also with a huge Chinese population and regular intl'l travel has low rates of deaths and infections.

Shittybeer isn't the problem: smoking and industrial waste and pollution which compromise the immune system FIRST and for PROLONGED PERIODS, are. Only then is shittybeer a factor. It attacks the weakest first and last.

Probably most if not all of the old people who died elsewhere (Italy for instance) had compromised respiratory systems as well.

 

[formula101]

By this logic gunshot to the head is considered rarely fatal as the vast majority of the 7 billion people in the world have not been killed by it. Please be sensible.

The Diamond Princess case establishes two things:

1) Transmissibility: All passengers were stringently quarantined in their own cabins for several weeks when a handful of cases occurred. Despite this, 712 people (~19% of the sample population) became infected.

2) Death rate: Passengers were immediately removed to hospital and given ample medical care as soon as symptoms were detected. In this scenario, 1% of those infected died as a result (7/712).

Different exposure environments, quarantine conditions, demographics, treatment standards will likely yield different infection and mortality rates.

And they were breathing recirculated air, virtually guaranteeing higher rates of infection. Recirculating air INCREASES chances of infection not decreasing them in spite of quarantine procedures.

It's lower than 1%. It's 0.8%. SARS was 10%, 1,250% as deadly.

This is BEFORE controlling for age. The average age of cruise ship passengers is a decade older than the national average in the US, and the median age is 65. This is a much older population and EVERY ONE who died was over 70.

Nice try at spreading misinformation, though. Hillary would be proud.

The only thing your post establishes is your lack of intelligence in assessing the data.

 

[formula101]

But this leaves the cases of Chinese people supposedly falling down dead in the middle of the street, asymptomatic prior. No one is seeing cases like this anywhere in the rest of the world. Two possibilities:

1. it's psyops mindfuck,

2. smoking and industrial toxins really are bad for you.

1 I doubt, only because you can't get 10 people into a room to agree on anything and even fewer can keep their mouths shut when it really counts. That kind of collaboration would be unlikely.

2 nobody can or should argue with. As you said, it effects the weakest first and last so if you started out with a comprised immune system or respiratory issues you're in way bigger trouble than an otherwise healthy individual. But there are other factors too of potential concern for North Americans which may put them at risk, like obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, etc. People who could easily keep on kicking for decades even in their diminished health might not fare so well with some covid in the mix. Only time and the eventual numbers will tell. Just based on their requirements for testing though tells me the totals are likely way under reported. Maybe because they're short on q-tips, or maybe because they feel most will pull through and don't want to cause any more panic than is already present with big numbers getting shoved down the people's throats every 15 second news cycle.

Keep calm and covid on?

As to point 1, it's interesting that you say 10 people. It was actually 15. And they don't have to stay silent, the media will remain silent on their behalf. To summarize, shittybeer was planned.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/recent-simulation-coronavirus-killed-65-million-people

In October 2019, a group of 15 business people, government officials, and health experts gathered around a table in New York to plan out the global response to a worldwide outbreak of a never-before-seen — and completely fictional — coronavirus.
It was a training exercise with disturbing similarities, in retrospect, to 2019-nCoV — the Chinese virus that has swiftly gone global this month.
Three and a half hours later, the group finished the simulation exercise — and despite their best efforts, they couldn’t prevent the hypothetical coronavirus from killing 65 million people.
The fictional coronavirus at the center of the Event 201 simulation — a collaboration between the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation — was called CAPS, and it started with pigs in Brazil before spreading to farmers, not unlike how 2019-nCoV reportedly began with animals before spreading to people.

As to point 2, you are right. North Americans, esp. in US, are not only an increasingly older population (true throughout the industrialized first world), but with compromised health in so many ways.

Nonetheless the cruise ship data shows us that the elderly (probably with compromised health and specifically respiratory problems) are likely most at risk.

I'm still baffled by the zero death rate for the youngest children. They are usually stricken at high rates as well. This has led some to speculate that as point 1 substantiates, that this may have been bio-engineered in some way to target the elderly in particular. These people after all, are more conservative politically than average and are hostile to the agenda of political and economic elites: open borders, multiculturalism, etc.

 

[HK12K]

Hey, they had to get the Social Security Administration solvent somehow, right?

 

[formula101]

ha, a bit of black humor I suppose, but the elderly are an economic AND political liability for the political/economic/cultural elite.

The elderly are too conservative politically for open borders/open society, and they are an economic drain (social security benefits as you mention), rather than an asset, unlike young, poor third world workers. And add to that, the elderly are the least likely to self integrate into virtual reality control grid of social media credit scoring: Instagram followers, Facebook friends, twitter likes, etc.


At least some of the boomers I'm seeing interviewed are defying shelter in place, saying they will go and do as they please. Young people don't leave the house anyway, they are already sheltered in place regardless.

 

[formula101]

The border north is closed ostensibly for health reasons, but the southern border is open. This is not an issue of health, it is an issue of advancing specific political/econ/cultural agenda. The US elites want illegals in the US for cheap labor, and to demoralize it's citizenry.

Re: Bowling Alone.

 

[markz]

Formula: Wow at 5 minutes between long posts

 

[formula101]

I'm a fast typer I suppose. I'm actually finding this topic more interesting than anticipated, I must admit. It's interesting from a strictly scientific perspective, but also from a social perspective. Best of both worlds.

 

[markz]

formula101 is Endless Sphere's Alex Jones

 

[formula101]

I have nothing to sell you. I'm only interested in the facts.

 

[markz]

Remember to stay 5' away from people and dont sneeze or cough, people around you will wonder if you are infected.

social

 

[markz]

What exactly does COVID mean and whats the 19 mean?

COVI makes sense, CO = Corona and VI = Virus but what about the D and the 19.

D probably means Disease?

Maybe its the 19th Novel virus or Corona they found

COronaVIrusDisease - 2019

 

[formula101]

A fascinating article about the phenomenon of children's unique response to shittybeer vs the regular flu. The key point is that fewer and fewer children, now at zero, are dying from these novel shittybeers.

This MAY be additional evidence that these viruses are bio-engineered, targeting the elderly.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237259-why-dont-children-seem-to-get-very-ill-from-the-coronavirus/

It has been widely reported that children are less likely to get severely ill and die from the new coronavirus. A recent study of 44,672 people with confirmed covid-19 infection found that children under 10 years old made up less than 1 per cent of those cases and none of the 1023 deaths.

“This is unlike flu,” says Akiko Iwasaki at Yale University. With flu, young children and older people are usually the most severely affected, so why is the new coronavirus different? It is a bit of a mystery.

A straightforward explanation would be that children are resisting infection in the first place, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. One recent study even found children to be just as likely as adults to get infected.


In any case, children that do become infected are still less likely to get sick with covid-19 and die – a similar trend to that seen with SARS or MERS, two other severe diseases caused by coronaviruses. So, what is protecting children?

 

[formula101]

There is significant disagreement about this, but there is some evidence that shittybeer may have leaked from a lab:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

At an emergency meeting in Beijing held last Friday, Chinese leader Xi Jinping spoke about the need to contain the coronavirus and set up a system to prevent similar epidemics in the future.

A national system to control biosecurity risks must be put in place “to protect the people’s health,” Xi said, because lab safety is a “national security” issue.

Xi didn’t actually admit that the coronavirus now devastating large swaths of China had escaped from one of the country’s bioresearch labs. But the very next day, evidence emerged suggesting that this is exactly what happened, as the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology released a new directive titled: “Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.”

Read that again. It sure sounds like China has a problem keeping dangerous pathogens in test tubes where they belong, doesn’t it? And just how many “microbiology labs” are there in China that handle “advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus”?

It turns out that in all of China, there is only one. And this one is located in the Chinese city of Wuhan that just happens to be … the epicenter of the epidemic.