panurge
10 kW
Hello guys
I've Been asked to make a survey plan to convert an Iveco small bus from a local transportation company. It is a 2000 model.
Would like to get ideas on the power train, batteries, and everything could be useful for the project and comes from your minds, knowledge, experience.
The Bus is actually powered by a 100Kw (@2700 rpm) CommonRail Iveco Diesel engine (4liters 4Cyl. turbointercooler 300Kg) with 420Nm @1200rpm
Weights empty is actually 7500Kg and 9500Kg full loaded.
It actually serves a circular urban route of 8 Km for 18 times a day with a single terminus where there is a 22Kw Type2 EU charger station (eventually upgradable) for a total of 150km/day and 35.000 km/year.
The Italian law, allows to retrofit an electric system over any Type approved ICE vehicle (except motorbikes, sigh ) without the need of a new approval, but only an update of the Vehicle Documents. That is valid only if the The electric propulsion kit is yet approved by the local transportation authorities, and installed by a certified shop, and obviously must comply with all the local and UE rules about safety, EM emissions, environmental emissions ecc.
The Idea is pretty much like what happens here for LPG or natural gas retrofits: A LPG or N.G. manufacturer of a retrofit kit, gets an approval by the authorities for a kit to be installed in a category or type or model of engine and than the installer directly update the vehicle documents after the installation without the need of a specific type approval and can be applied to any ICE car-bus-truck vehicle registered in Italy, old or new, without the need of an agreement by the original manufacturer.
The Conversion must be a full plug-in conversion with the total swap of the ICE engine and no hybrids or highly modified vehicles (like 2x4 to 4x4 or hubmotor wheels) are admitted.
The converted vehicle must be powered by an electric propulsion (1 or more engines and their systems) with a max power (max sust.power for 3minutes, reduced by 20%) range between 80 and 100% of the original ICE.
Mass balance, total mass, brakes, safety and comfort devices and systems and possibly part or all the gearbox must be held in place to have more chances for the approval during the technical certification test.
There are only few companies here that are trying to play the game but it is a 2016 regulation so hopefully more actors will try to take advantages from that opportunity in the next years.
Would be good to find a power-train manufacturer that would like to join us in this project, we can provide support to obtain the certification by the Italian authorities, logistics and the needed authorized installer shop to complete the chain.
Batteries are as always the most sensible part of the plan.
Although we have our ideas, we would really appreciate any point, advice or even proposal inside or outside the box by any of you guys, I joined the E-S community 5 years ago, and I well know how awesome, competent and smart most of your mind are......
I can provide more details if needed.
Cheers
I've Been asked to make a survey plan to convert an Iveco small bus from a local transportation company. It is a 2000 model.
Would like to get ideas on the power train, batteries, and everything could be useful for the project and comes from your minds, knowledge, experience.
The Bus is actually powered by a 100Kw (@2700 rpm) CommonRail Iveco Diesel engine (4liters 4Cyl. turbointercooler 300Kg) with 420Nm @1200rpm
Weights empty is actually 7500Kg and 9500Kg full loaded.
It actually serves a circular urban route of 8 Km for 18 times a day with a single terminus where there is a 22Kw Type2 EU charger station (eventually upgradable) for a total of 150km/day and 35.000 km/year.
The Italian law, allows to retrofit an electric system over any Type approved ICE vehicle (except motorbikes, sigh ) without the need of a new approval, but only an update of the Vehicle Documents. That is valid only if the The electric propulsion kit is yet approved by the local transportation authorities, and installed by a certified shop, and obviously must comply with all the local and UE rules about safety, EM emissions, environmental emissions ecc.
The Idea is pretty much like what happens here for LPG or natural gas retrofits: A LPG or N.G. manufacturer of a retrofit kit, gets an approval by the authorities for a kit to be installed in a category or type or model of engine and than the installer directly update the vehicle documents after the installation without the need of a specific type approval and can be applied to any ICE car-bus-truck vehicle registered in Italy, old or new, without the need of an agreement by the original manufacturer.
The Conversion must be a full plug-in conversion with the total swap of the ICE engine and no hybrids or highly modified vehicles (like 2x4 to 4x4 or hubmotor wheels) are admitted.
The converted vehicle must be powered by an electric propulsion (1 or more engines and their systems) with a max power (max sust.power for 3minutes, reduced by 20%) range between 80 and 100% of the original ICE.
Mass balance, total mass, brakes, safety and comfort devices and systems and possibly part or all the gearbox must be held in place to have more chances for the approval during the technical certification test.
There are only few companies here that are trying to play the game but it is a 2016 regulation so hopefully more actors will try to take advantages from that opportunity in the next years.
Would be good to find a power-train manufacturer that would like to join us in this project, we can provide support to obtain the certification by the Italian authorities, logistics and the needed authorized installer shop to complete the chain.
Batteries are as always the most sensible part of the plan.
Although we have our ideas, we would really appreciate any point, advice or even proposal inside or outside the box by any of you guys, I joined the E-S community 5 years ago, and I well know how awesome, competent and smart most of your mind are......
I can provide more details if needed.
Cheers