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Lowell said:I wonder how many hub motors got sold during this thread?
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Lowell said:I wonder how many hub motors got sold during this thread?
I wonder how many ebikes with hub motors were never used again after they broke down in a month after there purchase?lemmiwinks said:Lowell said:I wonder how many hub motors got sold during this thread?
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EbikeMaui said:I wonder how many ebikes with hub motors were never used again after they broke down in a month after there purchase?lemmiwinks said:Lowell said:I wonder how many hub motors got sold during this thread?
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0 . how many trolls did you bring with you?Lowell said:EbikeMaui said:I wonder how many ebikes with hub motors were never used again after they broke down in a month after there purchase?lemmiwinks said:Lowell said:I wonder how many hub motors got sold during this thread?
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How many motors have you sold again?
No a Wind Turbine alternator made from a Ford alternator is nothing specail.Either is making a rotor and putting the right magnets in the right place using many available automotive stators and housings.Having a quality Arospace electronics company design a controller to my specs is also nothing specail.I was the first to apply a motor to a Sram Dual Drive Hub and they ARE! specail. So is the whole combination! At the cost it would be the cheapest to make.You fail to relize no one has matched performance YET! and you make it sound like the products you can buy cheap are better.A few forum leaders Know it all dont you? Thanks for the laugh. I just show you what is possible for any one to make at a cheap price with better performance that YOU obviously can not reproduce YOURSELF It may inspire others that Can figure it out.lemmiwinks said:That more or less matches my recollection Reid. Though I believe Randy was in for some $$ if the project was a success so perhaps it could be considered that technically he sold a motor, however I don't really care. His motor is actually a modified wind turbine, I can't recall nor do I care about the specifics.
I've had this debate ad nauseum with Randy previously and I've seen many others waste their time having similar discussions. There is no point, the motor is nothing special, the drivetrain is nothing special, it's just a one off home brewed ebike that works well for it's builder. Nothing unique there either.
I find it irritating when someone who has no experience with a mass produced kit attacks satisified customers of said kits, but I learned long ago to ignore such ignorant commentary. I'm mainly in this thread to giggle at the Randy-baiting, I've read all his responses before in other forums (they never stray far from the well established pattern).
EbikeMaui said:[...]You fail to relize no one has matched performance YET! [...]
Is that like a race ?Mathurin said:EbikeMaui said:[...]You fail to relize no one has matched performance YET! [...]
In order to match performance, said performance must first be quantified.
EbikeMaui said:...making a rotor and putting the right magnets in the right place using many available automotive stators and housings.Having a quality Arospace electronics company design a controller to my specs... At the cost it would be the cheapest to make...I just show you what is possible for any one to make at a cheap price
The inexpensive motors could also use cheap poorly designed X lyte controllers and still be more efficent than a hub moor.lemmiwinks said:EbikeMaui said:...making a rotor and putting the right magnets in the right place using many available automotive stators and housings.Having a quality Arospace electronics company design a controller to my specs... At the cost it would be the cheapest to make...I just show you what is possible for any one to make at a cheap price
So you start out by telling us how complex it is (you needed "aerospace" engineers to build the controller), and finish up by saying it's so easy for anyone to make for cheap. Hmmmm....
Do you honestly not see the contradiction?
Exactly which is it? An expensive one-off motor made of bits and peices using a complex controller which had to be custom built by electrical engineers, or a simple conversion done on the cheap?
EbikeMaui said:The inexpensive motors could also use cheap poorly designed X lyte controllers and still be more efficent than a hub moor.
lemmiwinks said:EbikeMaui said:The inexpensive motors could also use cheap poorly designed X lyte controllers and still be more efficent than a hub moor.
So you start out by telling us how complex it is (you needed "aerospace" engineers to build the controller), and finish up by saying it's so easy for anyone to make for cheap. Hmmmm....
Do you honestly not see the contradiction?
Exactly which is it? An expensive one-off motor made of bits and peices using a complex controller which had to be custom built by electrical engineers, or a simple conversion done on the cheap?
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:Actually the contradiction I've taken objection to since the beginning of this thread is Randy's charge that no manufacturer has mass produced something as good as what he has. When in fact Randy hasn't mass produced anything at all.
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:Having hand built at one time about a thousand units of a small circuit board that I designed, I found out that inventing & designing a product or device is about 1% of the total journey.
YES to sell ebikes cheap you do need a market.Right now each kind of kit has a very small nitch dependind on what kind of riding and performance you expect.Yes some people are satisfied with what is available.IF or when all options seem too expensive to up grade or get performance on, or for some reason disapear then what? The option I made only requires a junk yard stator, 1. a rotor made by anyone with a milling machine 2.magnets.3. Three 75 cent hall sensors on a fiberboard. 4. A quality controller. (Right now other than few companies that have the ability to make a large volumes at a cheap price WITH Quality! you have to pay about $200. per controller ito have made in small quantities or Put up with the Chineese crap that IS available cheap.Or buy a NICE Sevcon. Ok that's just the motor part of it. Part Two would be bracket for the peticular bike. All the rest of the parts are VERY reasonably priced bicycle and gokart parts ADDING UP TO LESS THAN $50. AND ARE AVAILABLE! If you want a 1 speed option. A 3 speed Option the cost of a sram dual drive hub and shifters is under $160. Retail if you look around.The same Gocart parts (three total) are used on the 1 or 3 speed.ALL derailer parts are UNNEADED and this is a savings in many ways. At least my design has a future because NO ONE ELSE HAS made there own version to relize the full potentail of a DYI that will! some day be copied once anyone has the desire to figure it out.Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:lemmiwinks said:EbikeMaui said:The inexpensive motors could also use cheap poorly designed X lyte controllers and still be more efficent than a hub moor.
So you start out by telling us how complex it is (you needed "aerospace" engineers to build the controller), and finish up by saying it's so easy for anyone to make for cheap. Hmmmm....
Do you honestly not see the contradiction?
Exactly which is it? An expensive one-off motor made of bits and peices using a complex controller which had to be custom built by electrical engineers, or a simple conversion done on the cheap?
Actually the contradiction I've taken objection to since the beginning of this thread is Randy's charge that no manufacturer has mass produced something as good as what he has. When in fact Randy hasn't mass produced anything at all.
Having hand built at one time about a thousand units of a small circuit board that I designed, I found out that inventing & designing a product or device is about 1% of the total journey. This is a basic mistake that most inventors make. They figure they've got the next great mouse-trap & sit back to wait for the world to beat a path to their door.
Fact is there are thousands if not millions of people that could make the same circuit I produced, or Justin's DrainBrain or Randy's ebike design, probably better & cheaper. To take a product from prototype to production, you then have to invent the process to build the product cheaply. Just about anyone can, with some effort get to this point also.
By far the greatest effort has to go into marketing, to invent a need for your product & find a way create a market out of nothing. The bottom line *is* the bottom line, to create profit. A manufacturer is going to build for the broadest base of buyers, the lowest common denominator to maximize profit. That happens not to include volcano climbing, but just because they don't, doesn't mean they can't. They're not going to design & build a volcano beater if there's no money in it, simply for the exclusive purpose of being able to claim bragging rights of some bulletin boards. Anyone that would do that would have to be kinda pathetic.
Randy, don't kid yourself that only you have seen the light & have a lock on the truth. Optibike may not have produced & sold many copies of their design in your opinion. At least they are in the game & if they sold only one, that is an infinite percentage more than you have.
In the past seven plus years you've railed & bemoaned the lack of any contenders to your design, could you not have produced & sold at least one bike per year if it's so simple & cheap to build? I'm fairly certain 'knightmb' is a bigger producer of ebikes than you ever will be. An ebike that is real & anyone can buy is of greater efficiency & longevity than a video of something unattainable & therefore rulez!
EbikeMaui said:YES to sell ebikes cheap you do need a market.Right now each kind of kit has a very small nitch dependind on what kind of riding and performance you expect.Yes some people are satisfied with what is available.IF or when all options seem too expensive to up grade or get performance on, or for some reason disapear then what? The option I made only requires a junk yard stator, 1. a rotor made by anyone with a milling machine 2.magnets.3. Three 75 cent hall sensors on a fiberboard. 4. A quality controller. (Right now other than few companies that have the ability to make a large volumes at a cheap price WITH Quality! you have to pay about $200. per controller ito have made in small quantities or Put up with the Chineese crap that IS available cheap.Or buy a NICE Sevcon. Ok that's just the motor part of it. Part Two would be bracket for the peticular bike. All the rest of the parts are VERY reasonably priced bicycle and gokart parts ADDING UP TO LESS THAN $50. AND ARE AVAILABLE! If you want a 1 speed option. A 3 speed Option the cost of a sram dual drive hub and shifters is under $160. Retail if you look around.The same Gocart parts (three total) are used on the 1 or 3 speed.ALL derailer parts are UNNEADED and this is a savings in many ways. At least my design has a future because NO ONE ELSE HAS made there own version to relize the full potentail of a DYI that will! some day be copied once anyone has the desire to figure it out.
This is for your own great results with a stronger , more porerful single system that is easily adjusted for MULTIPAL USES as where the best hub motors have a pretty narrow range after comparing the Real facts.
The Option is all I keep going. Some Day Some One Will remember my rambelings.... IF they have the right decoder. LOL
It's ALL the best features that you can imagine with minimal parts.Info is in the archives.Instant Karma said:EbikeMaui said:YES to sell ebikes cheap you do need a market.Right now each kind of kit has a very small nitch dependind on what kind of riding and performance you expect.Yes some people are satisfied with what is available.IF or when all options seem too expensive to up grade or get performance on, or for some reason disapear then what? The option I made only requires a junk yard stator, 1. a rotor made by anyone with a milling machine 2.magnets.3. Three 75 cent hall sensors on a fiberboard. 4. A quality controller. (Right now other than few companies that have the ability to make a large volumes at a cheap price WITH Quality! you have to pay about $200. per controller ito have made in small quantities or Put up with the Chineese crap that IS available cheap.Or buy a NICE Sevcon. Ok that's just the motor part of it. Part Two would be bracket for the peticular bike. All the rest of the parts are VERY reasonably priced bicycle and gokart parts ADDING UP TO LESS THAN $50. AND ARE AVAILABLE! If you want a 1 speed option. A 3 speed Option the cost of a sram dual drive hub and shifters is under $160. Retail if you look around.The same Gocart parts (three total) are used on the 1 or 3 speed.ALL derailer parts are UNNEADED and this is a savings in many ways. At least my design has a future because NO ONE ELSE HAS made there own version to relize the full potentail of a DYI that will! some day be copied once anyone has the desire to figure it out.
This is for your own great results with a stronger , more porerful single system that is easily adjusted for MULTIPAL USES as where the best hub motors have a pretty narrow range after comparing the Real facts.
The Option is all I keep going. Some Day Some One Will remember my rambelings.... IF they have the right decoder. LOL
Hey, mauisailer how's it going? Saw a couple of your videos last year and was impressed with the 3 speeds going up hills. About your bike, did you have to do any welding for brackets, etc? And since few of us can make a motor are there any comparable ones on the market that comes close to yours? I noticed you didn't pedal too much on the videos does your bike have freewheeling capabilities or is there cogging, like in hub motors? thx