Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases

maydaverave said:
With the new P100D battery pack, Tesla is introducing its first third-generation battery pack technology in production vehicles.

Groovy. :
https://electrek.co/2016/08/23/tesla-100-kwh-battery-pack-quickest-car-ever/

...100 kWh battery pack, Tesla is using the same battery cell, but a new module and pack architecture, new cooling system and electronics.

:) MY "EV" (trike) has a nominal 48V 10Ah battery. Almost a 1/2 of 1 kWh pack. :wink: So sorta curious how the Tesla pack might be broken down. :lol:
 
Hillhater said:
maydaverave said:
.....I wonder how big each model 3 module will be? Would be great if i could fit one on a motorcycle 8)

1 "Module" is a 24volt, 250Ahr , 25 kg, lump ......so not exactly ideal for a Motorcycle !

That doesn't sound like a bad pack for a commuter motorcycle if you have the right motor and controller. A pair of them in series and a low voltage Sevcon size6 feeding a high kV motor would be 780A RMS phase current from a ~48v pack. A bike with 12kWh and ~35hp (keep in mind Harley was under this OEM power level until the late 1990s) would definitely be a functional scrap parts recycling usage to make a commuter.
 
liveforphysics said:
Hillhater said:
maydaverave said:
.....I wonder how big each model 3 module will be? Would be great if i could fit one on a motorcycle 8)

1 "Module" is a 24volt, 250Ahr , 25 kg, lump ......so not exactly ideal for a Motorcycle !

That doesn't sound like a bad pack for a commuter motorcycle if you have the right motor and controller. A pair of them in series and a low voltage Sevcon size6 feeding a high kV motor would be 780A RMS phase current from a ~48v pack. A bike with 12kWh and ~35hp (keep in mind Harley was under this OEM power level until the late 1990s) would definitely be a functional scrap parts recycling usage to make a commuter.
I have an old shadow 750 that would have some serious room for batteries if i ran a hubmotor. I'm thinking of a moderate powered high range commuter.
 
Thanks for the tip about SolidEnergy, It is also a slick money making organization at the moment. It would be good to see a large size prototype from them. That said, they only have a high-low extreme temperature capable battery for the moment, that seems pretty certain, and probably something will flop when they try to sell it for cars and real applications... unless they publish a demo and some graphs, it's still nonsense! tech specs are alien talk for silly investors!
 
zzoing said:
That ... and probably something will flop when they try to sell it for cars and real applications... unless they publish a demo and some graphs...

I came upon information about the stuff SolidEnergy Systems may probably using in the li-ion cells they are about to make.

Link to patent, I think this page it just the patent without pictures: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2720160248122%27.PGNR.&OS=DN/20160248122&RS=DN/20160248122

The patent, with graphical data: http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=20160248122&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252720160248122%252527.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20160248122%2526RS%3DDN%2F20160248122&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=E7EC72690D70

Patent to Electrolyte: http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20160233549&IDKey=B69F16BA1F5A&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252720160233549%252527.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20160233549%2526RS%3DDN%2F20160233549

I tried to find academic article(s) about this but there was not much.
 
chuttney1 said:
zzoing said:
That ... and probably something will flop when they try to sell it for cars and real applications... unless they publish a demo and some graphs...

I came upon information about the stuff SolidEnergy Systems may probably using in the li-ion cells they are about to make.

Link to patent, I think this page it just the patent without pictures: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2720160248122%27.PGNR.&OS=DN/20160248122&RS=DN/20160248122

The patent, with graphical data: http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=20160248122&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252720160248122%252527.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20160248122%2526RS%3DDN%2F20160248122&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=E7EC72690D70

Patent to Electrolyte: http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20160233549&IDKey=B69F16BA1F5A&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252720160233549%252527.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20160233549%2526RS%3DDN%2F20160233549

I tried to find academic article(s) about this but there was not much.


Pics starting to filter out:
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See here:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...duces-Battery-Material-Business-Model-Disrupt

"SolidEnergy Introduces a New Battery Material and Business Model to Disrupt the Mobile Energy Storage Industry" :)
 
24M and partners awarded M from ARPA-E to develop ultra-high-energy density batteries with new lithium-metal anodes

As part of its new IONICS (Integration and Optimization of Novel Ion Conducting Solids) program awards (earlier post), the US Department of Energy’s Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) awarded million in funding to a team that includes 24M, Sepion Technologies, Berkeley Lab, and Carnegie Mellon University. The funds will be used to develop novel membranes and lithium-metal anodes for the next generation of high-energy-density, low-cost batteries.

Read full article here: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09/20160916-24m.html

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Schematic of a 24M cell, from the patent.

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24M cell compared to conventional Li-ion cell.

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Sepion’s scalable and low-cost microporous polymer membrane size-sieves lithium ions from polysulfides, effectively extending the cycle life of Li-S cells.


http://24-m.com/pressrelease/
“As 24M nears commercial shipment of its first generation of energy storage products based on semisolid lithium-ion technology originally developed under ARPA-E support, we are excited to tackle a new grand challenge with partners Sepion Technologies, Berkeley Lab, and Carnegie Mellon University,” said Throop Wilder, CEO and Co-founder of 24M. “We look forward to bringing our team’s innovations to market in a new class of safe, ultra-high-energy density, ultra-low-cost batteries that will propel the energy revolution and enable the holy grail of EV ‘range euphoria.’”
 
UNIST/Stanford team develops new Li-ion anode with silicon-nanolayer-embedded graphite/carbon; 1,043 Wh/l full LiCoO2 cell

Researchers affiliated with Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology (UNIST), South Korea, and Stanford University have demonstrated the feasibility of a next-generation hybrid anode for high-capacity Li-on batteries using silicon-nanolayer-embedded graphite/carbon.

Read full article here: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09/20160919-unist.html

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imidacloprid said:
If they will be more expensive than A123 battery's than it will be a no-brainer. :)

I always try and look at overall costs per mile over the life of the item for travel. (And... how easy is it/percentage recycled.) ;)
 
Oh Goody. ES "Search found 43 matches: +dendrite". One more:

"No More Fires? MRI Scans of Batteries Show Explosive Potential"
http://www.livescience.com/56164-mri-scans-batteries-for-explosive-potential.html

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Includes pic caption:
A detailed three-dimensional MRI technique allows researchers to investigate the formation of deposits called dendrites in lithium-ion batteries. These deposits can sometimes cause runaway heating, explosions and fires.
Credit: Image courtesy of NYU's Jerschow Lab

And:
It might be a way to monitor rechargeable batteries in real time, preventing loss of performance and runaway explosions.
 
`Kay. Maybe not a "battery breakthrough" exactly/directly... (but)

"University of Calgary manages to teleport photons, paving way for quantum Internet"
http://calgaryherald.com/technology...eport-photons-paving-way-for-quantum-internet

The team of physicists led by Wolfgang Tittel have managed to teleport a photon (a light particle) some six kilometres at the speed of light along fibre-optic lines in Calgary, a new distance record that landed them in the prestigious science journal Nature Photonics alongside a simultaneous study by researchers in China.

The mind-bending experiment essentially transfers the quantum state of the photon — along with any information encoded within it — to a different location using the scientific principle of entanglement, a theory even Albert Einstein struggled with, calling it “spooky action at a distance.”
 
DANG. Master Fech? Would have just appended my post to THAT thread (if not already mentioned). [sigh]
 
More about the lithium chemistry itself... "Origin and hysteresis of lithium compositional spatiodynamics within battery primary particles"
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6299/566

Watching batteries fail

Rechargeable batteries lose capacity in part because of physical changes in the electrodes caused by electrochemical cycling. Lim et al. track the reaction dynamics of an electrode material, LiFePO4, by measuring the relative concentrations of Fe(II) and Fe(III) in it by means of high-resolution x-ray absorption spectrometry (see the Perspective by Schougaard). The exchange current density is then mapped for Li+ insertion and removal. At fast cycling rates, solid solutions form as Li+ is removed and inserted. However, at slow cycling rates, nanoscale phase separation occurs within battery particles, which eventually shortens battery life.
 
Why are we still using lame lithium-ion batteries after so many promising alternatives?

By Ryan Whitwam on September 1, 2016 at 9:30 am

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There’s a lot of research going on around battery technology as devices as diverse as smartphones and cars are increasingly held back by limited energy storage. Naturally, we report on interesting advancements in batteries frequently. There are lithium-air batteries, aluminum-graphite batteries, and even bacterial batteries. Rarely do we have to dredge up one of those old posts to talk about the next step toward commercialization because there isn’t one.

Most battery technologies fade away before they reach the point any of us will benefit from them. As MIT Technology Review points out, there are a variety of reason for this, but it often comes down to a lack of funding and focus.

Read the full article here: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...atteries-after-so-many-promising-alternatives
 
MIT Technology Review

Why We Still Don’t Have Better Batteries

Startups with novel chemistries tend to falter before they reach full production.

by Richard Martin August 29, 2016

Earlier this year, Ellen Williams, the director of ARPA-E, the U.S. Department of Energy’s advanced research program for alternative energy, made headlines when she told the Guardian newspaper that "We have reached some holy grails in batteries.”

Despite very promising results from the 75-odd energy-storage research projects that ARPA-E funds, however, the grail of compact, low-cost energy storage remains elusive.

Read the full article here: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602245/why-we-still-dont-have-better-batteries/
 
PH1 said:
MIT Technology Review

Why We Still Don’t Have "Better" Batteries

So... No chance that many expect to have a large, heavy, fully "accessorized" vehicle to travel long distances at "high" speeds over "long" distances? And "refill" /recharge in 1-2 minutes?

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"Morphing membrane improves battery charge times, stops leakage"
http://newatlas.com/redox-transistor-membrane/45055/

Taking inspiration from cells in the human body, researchers at the Ohio State University (OSU) are developing a "smart" membrane that could lead to faster-charging, safer EV batteries that hold their charge when not in use.

A critical component of existing batteries, separators are membranes which conduct the charge while keeping the cathode and anode apart. The problem is, charge can leak through these membranes, weakening the battery's effectiveness over time, or worse, causing them to overheat and catch fire, a problem familiar owners of so-called hoverboards.

To solve the problem of self-discharge, the OSU team mimicked the function of human cell membranes which open and close tiny pores in response to electrical stimuli. The result is dubbed the ionic redox transistor – an electrically conductive polymer that shrinks to open the holes while the battery is in use or charging, and expands to close them when turned off. In lab tests, the researchers say that charge loss was reduced to zero, without impacting the battery's normal function.

The "smart" membrane should also improve charging times. The researchers say that according to their analysis, batteries in better performing electric or hybrid cars deliver less than half a mile of driving for each minute of charging. With the ionic redox transistor this could be improved to up to "tens of miles per minute of charge."

While the team has demonstrated that the membrane works with existing batteries, the ultimate goal is to combine the technology with a redox flow battery to create a "redox transistor battery" that can be recharged the same as a standard battery, or be emptied out and refilled to quickly get back on the road.

"For everyday commuting, the electrolyte can be simply regenerated by plugging it into a power outlet overnight or while parked at the garage," says Sundaresan. "For long road trips, you could empty out the used electrolyte and refill the battery to get the kind of long driving range we are accustomed to with internal combustion engines."

The ionic redox transistor technology, which could also improve the performance of supercapacitors will be licensed to industry for further development.
 
Modern discharge rates in cells with high purity electrolyte solvents already approaches zero. That said I'm happy for any/all new battery tech that could potentially be useful, but the described objective of this one seems to be a solution for a non-problem. As an emergency event shut-down it could be neat if it's fast enough.
 
"Axial stack battery design could unlock the era of supersonic electric airliners"
http://newatlas.com/axial-stack-battery-supersonic-electric-airliners/45537/

In part:
Instead of conducting energy out through the tabs on top of the cells, Workman wants to sandwich huge sheets of active material together between super-thin double-sided foil layers – one side aluminum, the other copper. This way the entire cells are basically in contact with one another, conducting through their whole surface plane, instead of out through tabs.

(Congrats LFP. :) )
 
LockH said:
(Congrats LFP. :) )


Thank you kindly my friend.

Everyone on ES is partially responsible for the various inspirations.
 
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