The fingers
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MPH vs. KPH, metric confusion? Hits me also sometimes. :?
When I saw the new overnight results, my first thought was "I guess the risk takers come out at night".friendly1uk said:Does anyone else think the top two speed groups picked up 3 votes each overnight that don't ring true?
amberwolf said:friendly1uk said:Does anyone else think the top two speed groups picked up 3 votes each overnight
It doesn't look like that to me: The two resuls at the top of the poll are the lowest ones, and one has zero votes and the other only two, so neither could have "picked up 3 votes". So I don't understand that part at all.
Code:Under 10mph 0% 0% [ 0 ] Between 10 and 15mph 5% 5% [ 2 ] Between 15-20mph 37% 37% [ 15 ] x Between 20-25mph 22% 22% [ 9 ] Between 25-30mph 12% 12% [ 5 ] 30mph+ but honestly it's a bicycle. 24% 24% [ 10 ]
? People vote what they vote; if they don't also explain themselves in a post there's no way to know who voted or why; that's perfectly normal too.that don't ring true?
When you want to know who and why so you know if it's "true" (as much as anything can be known to be so, especially on the internet), you'd have to use a non-anonymous way of polling, by not using the actual poll function.
If so, they'll be removed when found--duplicate accounts are not allowed. If you can point to specific instances of duplicate account use, they'll be investigated and resolved where possible, and the members warned. (typically both accounts will be merged and posts from one reassigned to the other--but it is a manual process and can take a very long time if there are more than a handful of posts...and polls cant' be fixed as there's no moderator access to the results or votes).This happens a lot. People want their view to matter, so have a few accounts to back themselves up.
There's no way to know, AFAICT, without actually sitting at the computer every member is logging in from and seeing the screen that comes up on this thread. If the screen shows they've voted, then they have, if not, they haven't. I'm sure the forum software internally tracks which have voted and which have not but the data isn't available to moderators.I consider the results to be fudged until a moderator tells me otherwise.
An internet poll is just an internet poll, and you couldn't know it's accuracy even under ideal conditions. The best you can do is to not have the results visible until the end of the poll when no more votes are taken.
Given our membership numbers here in total vs the small active number, it would really not be true results even without any deliberate actions, just because hardly anyone ever participates in polls, and even fewer explain themselves (which would be required to satisfy you, AFAICS), based on what I've seen of past polls.
You sure are an impatient person, figuring all you will get is the first 3 days of data. Results could trickle in forever on a poll with no close date, especially as others mention the poll in other threads, and people that didn't know it was even there now go find it and vote. (like Eclectic's thread discussing the results of this poll).It's too many votes, in too short a time, on a poll that's about ground to a halt, for results that were highly unpopular. It stinks.
It's your poll and you can ignore whatever you like about it, though.
The fingers said:MPH vs. KPH, metric confusion? Hits me also sometimes. :?
Ah; I would have called that the two "highest speed" groups, because they are not at the top of the list of groups, but at the bottom, and that confused me.friendly1uk said:You seem to us misunderstood every word I said. Sorry I was not clearer.
The top two speed groups I referred to are 25-30 and 30+
However, voting slows over time, and this sped up over night.
I wish we did, but there is nothing associated with the poll itself, only the posts within a thread. :/Do you have history available that would show when? Perhaps with IP numbers?
MadRhino said:This is about the bike, not the speed by itself.
A friend of mine said he's never riding above 40 kmh for safety reasons. As soon as he was on a clear path he hit 60 trying one of my bikes, and didn't even notice. He said "No, I was going at safe speed, only half throttle and very soft ride". :wink:
Chalo said:MadRhino said:This is about the bike, not the speed by itself.
A friend of mine said he's never riding above 40 kmh for safety reasons. As soon as he was on a clear path he hit 60 trying one of my bikes, and didn't even notice. He said "No, I was going at safe speed, only half throttle and very soft ride". :wink:
When something unexpected happens, or when something goes wrong, how cushy your bike rides becomes irrelevant. A cushy suspension bike can't stop any faster or maneuver any better than a rigid bike when the chips are down.
teklektik said:Sometimes the answer isn't simple (and doesn't fit into the survey too well)...
Thanks. But depends on where you're at in NE. Being here in Worcester, MA I can say things are improving substantially and continuously. Part of the very active Walk & Bike lobby making our streets pedestrian friendly. Just went to a meeting on the the NPS Park just funded for the Blackstone River Valley between Worcester & Providence, RI, cutting through CT too. And rode some of the newer sections of our now bike friendly streets, and it was awesome! Marked & signed bike lanes, lights, traffic calming. What a difference it makes when your town or city finally wakes up, organizes and funds initiatives to make walkable/bikeable neighborhoods.teklektik said:I live in the NE US where there are no bike lanes, roads may or may not have shoulders, and shoulder width varies every 100 yards...
Not in the general case - there are 60,000mi of existing roads in the states you mention:arkmundi said:Thanks. But depends on where you're at in NE. Being here in Worcester, MA I can say things are improving substantially and continuously.teklektik said:I live in the NE US where there are no bike lanes, roads may or may not have shoulders, and shoulder width varies every 100 yards...
The fingers said:For my bike 20mph is plenty fast, but with the right suspension and frame geometry faster speeds are ok, as long as the cops look the other way.