Eclectic said:So I really enjoy the debate but these last few comments I do find offensive.
The timeline alone (I reached most of these conclusions within hours of the event) is evidence that propaganda (there wasn’t time for the propaganda engine to get started yet) was not a factor in my decisions.
The propaganda has been working on you since the day you were born. This is what you're missing. If I remember your post right, you even mentioned Osama's previous attacks (which were very likely BS, as his family is big time buddy buddy with the Bush clan). This is programming/propaganda, and you internalized it without even knowing it and let it affect your judgement.
I'm sorry you choose to be offended when others try to improve your life by trying to provide insight. Offending people isn't what I tend to go for unless someone's just asking for it or I think it may be the only thing that wakes them up. It's all based on love though. I had a crazy wife a long time ago that would get irrational pretty regularly and lock herself into loops, presenting the same totally illogical arguments about the dumbest things over and over again. The only way I could get her to even hear the words coming out of my mouth was to piss her off. The part of her brain/mental process that wouldn't let her understand logic was likely developed due to the overwhelming feelings of disempowerment that civilization causes. The next step up from being powerless is anger. I finally realized that if I could get her angry enough, that she'd break out of the loop she was in, get angry enough to feel stupid, then she'd calm down, apologize, and could rationally discuss things again. It took me five years to figure out how to break those irrationality loops that were based on propaganda and programming. I guess that sometimes, when I see someone that's obviously coherent and intelligent but falling victim to programming that makes them irrational, I might try to get them riled a bit, just to see if that helps. I'm surprised how often it works.