Slowchris11
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Ne khochu portit' vam udovol'stviye, no za fotografii gazokhranilishch vy poluchayete pervyye 12 let katorzhnykh rabot.
Eternal outskirts of Moscow and beyond (LOTS of pics!)
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Skorohod
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It could be far worse, comrade, i could be shot without the right of correspondence!
The Toecutter
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Given all of the recent turmoil surrounding your part of the world, I'm glad you're okay.
Skorohod
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Thank you! Actually, we got a close one some time ago, an UAV exploded on the upper storey of a building just 1.8 km from me (roughly one mile). I still can see the broken windows in that building from my balcony. Apart from that and some other events living in Moscow are still safe.
marvin78
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I wish we could say the same for Kiyv. Kherson. Dnipro. Lviv and all the other cities where currently this can't be said.
Your pictures are astounding btw, normally I'm pretty much only into nature photography and not so much urban, but you're combining it and telling a story about how they exist in perpetual motion ( nature vs 'progress' ).
Have you ever entered a contest? I believe you have some shots which would score pretty high even with a jury which could appreciate them more as I can.
Skorohod
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Believe or not, i wish that too. I'm actually don't mind to have a civilised conversation about such difficult matter. But knowing how some people could behave online i'm afraid the ES forums is not the place (we have a good thing going here)! However, maybe in some thread in the "Off Topic Discussions" we would have a chance.
Thank you! I'm consider myself not too competitive man. Too lazy to seek and enter contests or exhibitions. The only time some of my works was shown in public was an underground (quite literally, the venue was 43 meters below the ground) exhibition of an underground (quite literally again, in a subterranean meaning of that term) urban exploration art. That was fun, but that time i was asked by my old mates and my works to display was chosen for me.
And you hit the bullseye about "nature vs anthropogenic"! I was captivated by that contrast since i was a child and trying to reflect that theme through my art since.
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marvin78
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I do believe you! And I don't want to start an argument., I wanted to express my sorrow for everyone negatively affected. I haven't seen any actual issues on this forum, which probably has an equal distribution in ES members just being good people... and the mods doing a great job. Let's not add to their workload! But, if there were such a topic, or you would like to converse about a topic we couldn't discuss here, you can always pm me or link me to another topic/discussion.
Someone should just enter you, if you're not willing to throw yourself out there. But maybe it's because I'm biased.
<3 I love this subject. Not artistic enough to produce anything worth sharing sadly, I'll have to take fulfillment in the enjoyment of the work of others. I have what I think they call deuteranopia ( or just one step away from it on the deuteranomy scale ) so I really like it when green's are vibrant
Skorohod
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<3 I love this subject. Not artistic enough to produce anything worth sharing sadly, I'll have to take fulfillment in the enjoyment of the work of others. I have what I think they call deuteranopia ( or just one step away from it on the deuteranomy scale ) so I really like it when green's are vibrant
Haven't noticed any abnormalities with my color sight, but i always loved vivid, saturated colors. And my all time favorite color is light green (like fresh young grass in the spring). So i can actually relate a little!
Skorohod
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Well, it's time to continue with the photos from my summer 2022 trip to Bashkiria. The evening came to the end and the night has fallen. The Moon called me to a journey!
01. The Moon over Bulanovka village (which now is part of the Priyutovo itself).
02. My path was again through the night dirt roads.
03. Through the mysterious chapels bright lit in the night.
04. Through the bucolic landscapes of the Kozhay-Maximovo village.
05. The sky above me was in constant movement.
06. The movement in the most different directions!
07. The Moon was bright, but not bright enough to lit landscapes around me.
08. Headlight does helped a little, but just a little.
09. The help rushed from the skies above! The UFO crash landed beside me and presented me with all sorts of lamps and flashlights.
10. The UFO had flighted away.
01. The Moon over Bulanovka village (which now is part of the Priyutovo itself).
02. My path was again through the night dirt roads.
03. Through the mysterious chapels bright lit in the night.
04. Through the bucolic landscapes of the Kozhay-Maximovo village.
05. The sky above me was in constant movement.
06. The movement in the most different directions!
07. The Moon was bright, but not bright enough to lit landscapes around me.
08. Headlight does helped a little, but just a little.
09. The help rushed from the skies above! The UFO crash landed beside me and presented me with all sorts of lamps and flashlights.
10. The UFO had flighted away.
Skorohod
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11. With such lightpower things got interesting.
12. The night landscapes started to reveal itself.
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15. The light beam still does not reached Priyutovo. So much for the extraterrestrial technology!
16. But it sure did bring a lot of fun to a lots of flying insects!
17. The night was quite still and quiet. No wind, no chirping. Pretty serene.
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19. What's that, a flying tapeworm?
Anyway, it was the time for some new experiments with photo shooting.
20. What would happen if you leave your camera shutter open for couple of minutes in the night? A very peculiar landscape!
marvin78
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I was hoping for some shots of falling stars Guess that requires a static setup with long shutter times. Been looking out of my window but way to much light pollution over here. Guess people don't want to make any more wishes, it's like Peter Pan the world is Wendy and keeps getting older.
I mean I get it, it's dangerous to say: hey there is a big chance we can spot some objects from the Presides and all we have to do is shut down all those lights on that highway, that hospital and that airport
Guess that requires a static setup with long shutter times. Been looking out of my window but way to much light pollution over here. Guess people don't want to make any more wishes, it's like Peter Pan the world is Wendy and keeps getting older. I mean I get it, it's dangerous to say: hey there is a big chance we can spot some objects from the Presides and all we have to do is shut down all those lights on that highway, that hospital and that airport
Skorohod
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21. And that photo took the whole 10 minutes (ten minutes!) of exposure to complete.
22. This is the way up from the Deep creek. I shot this landscape several times, with different weather and seasons. But never in the dead of the night, in almost complete darkness (to the naked eye).
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24. Time to have some more fun with all this bright fallen stars.
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27. The soft paws of the spruce trees gladly received from me all this shining gifts.
28. This is what could happen in the middle of Bashkirian steppes in the warm summer night!
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30. Time to gather all those pet stars back in the bag.
Skorohod
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31. My next object of fancy was the pumpjack.
32. The "Vulcan R 35" was its name. Tried to google it - no luck.
33. The old pumpjack and sky full of stars!
34. The Deep creek itself.
35. Reminds me some fairy tale with fireflies.
36. I've took a seat to ponder a little.
Somewhere around was an old small village. Petryaevka was its name. When the Priyutovo fruit tree nursery expanded - it took it over. The dwellers of said village was relocated to the nearby villages - Priyotovo, Bulanovka, Kozhay-Maximovo.
37. Here it is, in the crosshairs, on the old Soviet map of the year of 1944!
38. Some time ago the descendants of Petryaevka village erected this memorial cross.
39. The plaque said:
"With a gratitude in our memory and the great respect to our dear dwellers of Petryaevka village frome the loving children, grandchildren, grand-grandchildren and grand-grand-grandchildren. The year of 2020."
40. Well, that's it. Time to go home. The Moon will guide me!
That's all for this week!
Skorohod
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There it is, on the photo #33! Here is the clickable hi-res copy of said picture:I was hoping for some shots of falling stars
Yes, such is the price of the progress. I was so spoiled by the constant light pollution, i have to bring with myself to this trip about a dozen flashlights to pollute it some more
No matter where i've been, an small settlement such as Priyutovo or a megapolis like Moscow - the Big Dipper is all you can see from a street. But the difference is you have to ride for only 5 kilometers from Priyutovo to see the stars. In the Moscow... oh, i don't even know. 50 kilometers at least!
marvin78
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You should post more higher res images. There are not many really dark places here, they claim we're pretty densely populated.
Skorohod
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Oh, it's actually not that simple, i'm afraid. The forum engine has a very rough resizing algorithm which sometimes produces quite distorted images due to oversharping and aliasing. 800px is a "safe" size of picture because it's not in need of resizing at all, so it shows as it is. With some experimentation with resolution and with a help from the forum staff members it could be done, though!
Yep, i've looked it up on the maps. My wild guess will be the group of islands in the North sea is the nearest accessible place from you to watch the stars with a minimum light pollution.
P.S. I like to browse a Google Street all over the world and a random click to your town gave me this funny view: Google Maps
marvin78
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I'd guess Vlieland and Terschelling would be the most desolate, and if you're keeping mainland in your back that indeed would be the closest dark recluse around.
'De Boschplaat is even included in the top 50 Dark Sky Sites ( just googled this, I had no idea a place in The Netherlands could ever get that high. I should go there, it's pretty close
Maps
I know exactly where that is, just to drive past it daily bringing kids to school.
'De Boschplaat is even included in the top 50 Dark Sky Sites ( just googled this, I had no idea a place in The Netherlands could ever get that high. I should go there, it's pretty close
Maps
P.S. I like to browse a Google Street all over the world and a random click to your town gave me this funny view: Google Maps
I know exactly where that is, just to drive past it daily bringing kids to school.
Skorohod
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I have a couple of questions about this place, if you don't mind: why is this trail alongside a body of water is closed for the bikes? And the two young ones (one of them flipping a bird to a google cam) - are they part of some subculture or this is just a way to dress for a youth of this time and place?
marvin78
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It's a dedicated pedestrian path, and it allows dogs to go off their leach ( which is why I avoid it with my dog ). Also, the bicycle path is on the other side of the water, and there is a cycling passage 20m ahead which allows taking a right and move parallel to the water.
The kids, wow uhm idk, people like their privacy and knowing a birdflip might live on forever on google maps might be tempting, for some I mean.
They look pretty average btw, dark clothes white sneakers and one has a beanie it looks like. I mean, for me that's pretty normal to come across.
Btw, it's quite funny to be asked about a cycling infrastructure deficiency "why can't you go there, looks it would be fun to ride"
If I don't want to go far and have some fun on a bike I go here and a little further I can go here
Sadly we both had a rather big fire not so long ago, and the local muncipality decided to cut a couple of hectares of forest to give sand a way to move with the wind for natural dune forming. So our biggest local hit sadly got cut in pieces.. here
Skorohod
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Thanks! Makes total sense.
The reason i asked is the outfit of them is remotely resembles infamous Russian gopniks
Such a blast from the past. In the past days they were hated and feared, and now it's a subject of nostalgia.I've looked around in the street view and amount of a dedicated bike lanes is impressive! But as a moped user i've probably be bound to a roadway anyway and could not be enjoy all those galore of bike facilities.Btw, it's quite funny to be asked about a cycling infrastructure deficiency "why can't you go there, looks it would be fun to ride"
If I don't want to go far and have some fun on a bike I go here and a little further I can go here
Sadly we both had a rather big fire not so long ago, and the local muncipality decided to cut a couple of hectares of forest to give sand a way to move with the wind for natural dune forming. So our biggest local hit sadly got cut in pieces.. here
As for MTB trails - do they allow e-bikes at all? I've heard of some places that can be kind a hostile towards all vehicles that not powered by muscle (there was a thread about that here on ES IIRC).
marvin78
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Mopeds are mostly bound to mix with cars while in city limits where the max speed for cars is within boundaries ( but I still don't like it, just as I don't like motorcycles only because of the totally one sided impact of motorcycle - tin cans accidents on the whole and therefore the attention most drivers in tin can's dedicate to preventing that exact scenario ). For the most part this hasn't caused such an incline in accidents as I expected, I guess because they are still a protected party in traffic. Just like a bike btw, more even then I imagined. I had a head butting contest with a tin can not long ago, and I thought it would be 100% on me since I overtook what I thought a stationary car on the left side, right when it accelerated and turned left. Wasn't a big impact, some scrapes on my leg and knee the rest I was able to catch pretty well. But the wheel was buckled and there was scraping damage on the right side pedals and grips from the sliding while the car was still in motion and I was behind the bike till I rolled out and had the bike thrown out of my grip tumbling around on the street. Couldn't ride home but lbs fixed the wheel for the most part ( kind of an in-between job, they had a queue I busted in front off ) and I had someone else get the last parts straightened out since I have a severe distaste for anything involving rims and spokes I'm just to impatient. Thank god there are people who specialize in just that
Anyway, since I overtook on the wrong side I thought it should be all on me, but I found out that unless I acted grossly negligent of my own safety, they still are obliged to pay 50% of damages. In other words, mopeds and cars seem to be ok. And they are only forced to mix on roads where the max speed matches that off a moped, and there are plenty of 'stroads' or 'ontsluitingswegen' where mopeds are not allowed on due to traffic density not speed. So it's not like you're forced to ride your moped on 6 lane roads, in those cases you're allowed on the cycling infrastructure.
The issue isn't with mopeds, it's the 25km/h restricted moped class which for some reason is also more and more not allowed on cycling infrastructure where mopeds aren't allowed either, and they are not fast enough to mix with tin cans in their natural environment.
There is a difference between emtb and someone with a electric dirt / pitbike. Emtb will not, on average unless on purpose and even then not to the same extent, chew up a trail. As a former member of the local trail crew I am well aware of the discussion, and there are some who would rather not see them since even they already increase maintenance frequency ( heavier weight and faster means more braking bumps which if you don't fix them only get worse over time ). But you can't really enforce a ban on emtb's when legally they are bikes, especially if some of the crew rides them, and as I said it's not like a pitbike plowing up the top layer completely.
The reason i asked is the outfit of them is remotely resembles infamous Russian gopniks
Lol when you wrote that, it made me think of this ->
I think in the west we do like our stereotypes. For the good and for the bad.
I almost used my mod powers to make that vid go away. 
marvin78
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It's not like I'm still in my 20's so I almost understand your point, but I'm glad you didn't 
I think every culture has their gopniks, it's just a result of economical divide. Though I realize in Russia, a gopnik really is associated with petty crime more then a chav which is really associated with antisocial behavior.
Thinking about Russian music, hardbass is a lot less inflammatory as Katyusha ( by Pravda, GuP off course ) due to the current circumstances. Tbh, I like the latter more, you can't deny that song will never leave your mind once you heard it once. Heck I almost want to go and watch GuP again
I think every culture has their gopniks, it's just a result of economical divide. Though I realize in Russia, a gopnik really is associated with petty crime more then a chav which is really associated with antisocial behavior.
Thinking about Russian music, hardbass is a lot less inflammatory as Katyusha ( by Pravda, GuP off course ) due to the current circumstances. Tbh, I like the latter more, you can't deny that song will never leave your mind once you heard it once. Heck I almost want to go and watch GuP again
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Skorohod
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The next day after you posted this one of my colleagues broke his leg in a very similar accident. I've learned of both of stories inbetween of my commute rides through the city. Strangely enough all this news does not gave me anxiety, i've just felt compassion towards my injured brethren.
The very same thing happened some time ago with the electric kick scooters in Russia. The new regulations (however controversy those are) trying to rectify this situation.
Yes, yes, there they are! The very example of a strange nostalgia about gopniks (and this is relatively recent video). But it's all actually started much long ago. The first popular specimen was this fella (and gopniks was still around that time, btw). But my favorite is this post-modern meta-ironical masterpiece (the English subtitles are present, but there a lot of cultural references that might be too obscure).
We always could pretend to have a highbrow culturological discussion with a deep sociological excurses and make this video an exhibit for the educational process!I almost used my mod powers to make that vid go away.
But if seriously, i'm not a fan too. Nor the gopniks, nor the dance music.
All that old songs was very common in my childhood and felt like "just old popular song everybody knows". So when i've learned part of that songs are well known abroad and considering controversial (mostly by association, the lyrics itself are rarely that explicit) i've been suprised a little. But then i've remembered the similar treat to a some quite harmless German songs of same era and understood - is just the way things works.
My favorite is the Polyushko-polye (the original versions with a men's choir, but you probably already listened to its different version in the GuP). Didn't quite understand it when i was a kid, but when i've traveled through the Don steppes (when the wind was strong and the thunderstorm was gathered in the distance) - it suddenly hit me hard.
marvin78
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I thought the term gopnik was tied to hardbass, your last link is far from that ( but it's pretty good, makes me think of Rammstein ). Guess I was very wrong.
We always could pretend to have a highbrow culturological discussion with a deep sociological excurses and make this video an exhibit for the educational process!
Wait, we weren't?
I once liked dance music, but that was two decades ago. Now the only place I still listen to it is on my bike / during exercise ( honestly, that still means mostly on my bike ).
I don't think anyone likes subcultures which are so negatively portrayed. But just as with our 'tokkies' I'm quite sure it's a broad statement which doesn't always fit perfectly. Pretty sure you can find a gopnik from the time, who I'd be able to relate and get along with. On the other hand, those right wing variants wouldn't really jive with me.. nor I with them for that matter.
The lyrics are not controversial at all, it's only the current situation where there are people who are claiming the conditions portrayed in that song are being repeated which made me think of it as controversial. The song itself is beautiful, and very much something which always struck me as 'typical Russian'. A song about a great war, about hardships, about having to fight, but also about love, and wanting to fight to preserve that love.
I heard many different renditions, I looked up what you wrote and found one on channel called VassiliSokolov. I must say I can't agree with you based on that rendition.
Maybe it's just nostalgia but I feel it must have female vocalists