Help with my first build.

TheMadHatter

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After deciding to purchase an electric longboard, I did my research and came to the conclusion that I am better off crafting my own rather than going with chinese made crap.

I want to go with the alien drive system, dual diagnol 63mm motors, caliber fifty trucks. Now I do not know that much about longboards, but would prefer to go with a drop through deck for stability, but am not sure of the clearance I would have on the bottom of the board. Can someone recommend some decks that would be compatible with this build?

Also, is there any way to get around using an esc? Couldn't I just use some kind of variable voltage knob and kill switch?

Any help is appreciated, I would like to order my parts by tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
 
Sweet! Good choice.

As far as drop through decks go, the challenges you will face will be the clearance you have between the deck and motor. I would ask Alien if it's possible to mount their caliber mounts in that fashion. I can tell you from experience that it is worth it to do a drop through mount if possible. I have a couple.

It would probably be a good idea to use an esc being that you want to have a dual diagonal set up. I'm not sure how you'd get a variable voltage knob to work with an outrunner motor. Even more difficult with 2 outrunners. Also, the good esc's will have features like brakes, motor timing, low voltage cut-off, overtemp cut-off and software to program it from your computer. If you read through most of the builds you'll start to notice that batteries are a bigger issue as far as space goes. Alien's ESC and now their flat battery packs look awesome. Lots of low profile options out there now though. Remember you can remove the fan on some esc's too.
 
Thanks for the response. If worst comes to worst, and I cant use a drop through with that size motor, what deck option would be my next best choice? Keep in mind I want the drop through for the stability at high speeds and downhill (I have very big hills where I live). I will contact alien though and see what they say, just want a backup choice ready :).
 
I have a welded motor mount that fits drop through decks which I sell for $325 trucks/wheels/mount/drive train (entire mechanical). I have one on my current. You need a drop through deck though that is flat or somewhat flat. If it has pockets it would be a bit more difficult. You could do it and weld your own mounts to the board - facing outwards then it doesn't matter at all.

The drop through is nice but since these wheels are big to begin with it's a bit difficult to get foot space clearance unless your using a 38-40" deck. It's nice being low to the ground though. I'm planning on switching back to a top mount though.
 
Unfortunately I do not have access to welding equipment, so I'm pretty set on going with the alien hardware. Can you recomend some good top mount decks? Im assuming the longer the better for high speeds? Like I said, new to the longboarding scene but definitely getting into it.
 
TheMadHatter said:
Unfortunately I do not have access to welding equipment, so I'm pretty set on going with the alien hardware. Can you recomend some good top mount decks? Im assuming the longer the better for high speeds? Like I said, new to the longboarding scene but definitely getting into it.

I sell a kit pre-welded so there's no welding on your part with the $325/option. I like using MuirSkate.com for browsing through decks they got most of the name brand decks available - https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/decks/all/drop-through.

There's quite a bit of choices if you want a drop through with flex and/or sturdier board for faster downhill. These ones look pretty nice.

Arbor 2014 Koa Axis Longboard Skateboard Deck w/ Grip - https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/decks/50061/Arbor-2014-Koa-Axis-Longboard-Skateboard-Deck-w-Grip.html
Bustin Mission 40 Bamboo Hybrid Longboard Skateboard Deck w/ Grip - https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/decks/52981/Bustin-Mission-40-Bamboo-Hybrid-Longboard-Skateboard-Deck-w-Grip.html
Bustin Ibach 37 Longboard Skateboard Deck w/ Grip https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/decks/52921/Bustin-Ibach-37-Longboard-Skateboard-Deck-w-Grip.html
 
I'm pretty set on going with the caliber trucks, or I would consider your option. I will be wanting to test your wii nunchuck controller though. Feel free to message me with more info on it, or I will just dig deeper tomorrow when ordering.
 
If you cant do a drop through there are shallow drop decks that may work too. Torque's suggestion for getting a truck with the mounts turned toward the tail/nose would free up your choices. http://www.pinterest.com/pin/531565562238650405/

You need to find out specifically though if Alien's motor bracket is at an angle that will allow a drop through mount.
 
ESC- Electronic Speed Controller

You cannot build a board using a Brushless motor without one of these. They work by turning the motor on and off thousands of times per second, the rate at which this varies creates a throttle curve. Braking is also created through a process called "Dynamic Breaking"

Here is how it works in principle FYI:

"During braking, the motor fields are connected across either the main traction generator and the motor armatures are connected across braking grids (rheostatic). The rolling wheels turn the motor armatures and when the motor fields are excited, the motors act as generators.

During dynamic braking, the traction motors, which are now acting as generators, are connected to the braking grids of large resistors which put a large load on the electrical circuit. When a generator circuit is loaded down with resistance, it causes the generators to resist rotation, thus slowing the train. By varying the amount of excitation in the traction motor fields and the amount of resistance imposed on the circuit by the resistor grids, the traction motors can slow the train to about 5 mph (8 km/h) for a direct current "transmission" system; for an alternating current "transmission" system, the traction motors can slow the train to nearly 0 mph (0 km/h)."



So ESC's are pretty integral to the build. If the only reason you don't want one is due to the price, there is a thread on here with one guy making a build for under $200 or you could also try the RCGroups Classifieds, us RC Hobbyists tend to go through a lot of gear! http://www.rcgroups.com/classifieds-201/


Now Drop Through decks don't inherently give you stability, they only work if you drop mount the trucks. If you Drop Through the trucks on a normal board without a Drop-deck, then your clearance will be fine. If you Drop Through the trucks on a Dropped Deck (Like the Bustin Ibach, Rayne Demonseed, Landyachtz Switchblade etc), your ground clearance will be about an inch at best. Dropped Trucks on a Dropped Deck is best for Long Distance Pushing.


Boards and Trucks
Caliber 50s are stable up to about 30Mph, The angle of the Baseplate also plays a part in Stability at Speed (50 is best for Freeride/Carving, 45 is better for Downhill/ Speed, 38 is best for Competition Downhill--Caliber does offer CNC machined trucks with 40 degree baseplates I think, just ask Alien if they're compatible). Here is a helpful article about Boards http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum/longboarding-resources-q-a/213231-hi-kids-im-board.html

Bushings and Trucks
Another factor that determines Stability is Bushing choice; Cones, Barrels, Inverted Cones, etc. For Stability I would suggest Khiro bushings or Venoms, Double Barrels (Barrel on top and bottom of baseplate) in a dual Durometer; This Depends on your weight. Here's a good guide to bushings, the cheapest part you can change on your board that can have the most profound effect. Here is a helpful article on Bushings: http://www.silverfishlongboarding.c...rucks-bushings/211090-hi-kids-im-bushing.html


@Torque, Mate. Those First two are Cruising/Carving/Dancing boards. The iBach is good (I have one) but is a drop deck, not a drop through as TheMadHatter wanted. No offence meant, I know you're the guru. Just gonna throw out some alternate choices of mine.

I prefer Daddies to Muirskate, just a personal pref.
http://www.daddiesboardshop.com/earthwing-supermodel-3d-drop-thru-longboard-skateboard-deck-blue-blue
http://www.daddiesboardshop.com/sector-9-gauntlet-longboard-skateboard-deck
http://www.daddiesboardshop.com/landyachtz-drop-speed-longboard-skateboard-deck-with-gas-pedals-2014

My rules for boards- Never buy Rayne pre-2009, Delams are almost guaranteed. Never buy a Jet Board, they're cheap for a reason. Never use Original Boards (They tried and failed to reinvent the truck. Their board designs are much the same). Neversummer are a great, cheap, American brand, If available and you like the style-- get the Neversummer.

You see every board making company has a different Credo; Earthwing came out of Boston and started with Tech Sliding and designed boards for New York Streets. Rayne came out of Canada with Giant Mountains and massive Freeride competitions. Sector 9 started just making Cruisers and Carving boards mostly but started the Downhill Division and just dominated with it. The Silverfish is your friend.

Sorry for the essay. Those threads are great help for newbies though.
 
I'm not the guru. Your the guru :). I only help. But yeah, if you want to get technical -- you are right. Nice selection for real downhill boards though. I'll give daddies a try next time..

For a dual motor -- your easily looking at about $900 to $1200 in total costs.
 
Thanks guys, I really appreciate all the input. And thanks alot for the essay and links, actually what I was looking for.

I wasn't looking for an ecs alternative for price, but reliability more or less. Price really isn't an issue, If I'm gonna build something, I'm gonna do it right.

Thanks alot all, I'll update in a few days with my parts list :)
 
I designed a motor mount that is very compact so it will fit on decks with 1 inch drop. However you need to mount the trucks with longest wheel base possible. Decks Such as the bustin IBach (40inch) are compatible.
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But you need to think about clearance... so truck risers etc might be required depending on your Under Deck Components.

Your ability to lower your center of gravity is directly related to the height of the UDC. (Yes I just made up this acronym)
 
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