Sport bike build - CBR600RR (the CBRe)
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Tomdb
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http://www.powertrading.com.pl/
This is thier site, i would ask for you to email them for a recent price list.
This is thier site, i would ask for you to email them for a recent price list.
Tomdb
10 W
Okay, i never dealt with them myself i just managed to get the pricing from them.
However as a small note on the build i belief that if you are building a performance motorcycle for yourself 18650 cells are not the most financial viable option. The amount of investment required in assembling the pack and developing the casing/bus bars will cost considerable amounts of money, which are not really justifiable for a one-off project.
However as a small note on the build i belief that if you are building a performance motorcycle for yourself 18650 cells are not the most financial viable option. The amount of investment required in assembling the pack and developing the casing/bus bars will cost considerable amounts of money, which are not really justifiable for a one-off project.
Not necessarily, cells are really cheap, and you can build large parallel blocks and connect them into series later, that's how I did it.
And one older from another guy:
A little imagination is all that you need. However, there is a better way to connect them, I'm working on a perfect solution for connecting 18650 cells, and then it will be piece of cake, no soldering, no welding, fused design.
And one older from another guy:
A little imagination is all that you need. However, there is a better way to connect them, I'm working on a perfect solution for connecting 18650 cells, and then it will be piece of cake, no soldering, no welding, fused design.
Tomdb
10 W
For low powers this is no problem. How ever for the kind of bike being discussed here (100kw continous) about 10c rating from the pack. Wiring like this will not cope with the heat generated.
The main issue will be if you want reliable constant power cooling will have to be addressed, with 18650 cells this is harder then using flat pouches (geometry).
During my past experience with developing concepts for high powered electric cars, I have formed the conclusion that if you would apply laser welding you can get the best results when using 18650 cells. However this project as so many things revolves around money, so i would strongly recommend pouch cells. This is because of ease of packaging, connections and cooling.
The main issue will be if you want reliable constant power cooling will have to be addressed, with 18650 cells this is harder then using flat pouches (geometry).
During my past experience with developing concepts for high powered electric cars, I have formed the conclusion that if you would apply laser welding you can get the best results when using 18650 cells. However this project as so many things revolves around money, so i would strongly recommend pouch cells. This is because of ease of packaging, connections and cooling.
teddillard
100 W
I've been playing with spreadsheets and charts. My latest stuff here:
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/04/moar-battery-calculations-star-or-radar-charts/
I had no idea these attribute charts were so easy to make.
The spreadsheet is there, too, if you want to play.
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/04/moar-battery-calculations-star-or-radar-charts/
I had no idea these attribute charts were so easy to make.
The spreadsheet is there, too, if you want to play.
teddillard
100 W
...been re-acquainting myself with the ins and outs of doing craigslist searches over a 3-state area. 
It would appear you get different results by searching "CBR", "CBR 600RR", and "CBR600RR". Which is silly. Then http://www.SearchAllJunk.com has it's own set of weird rules.
But this, for example:
...an hour away, $3200 '05 with 19k miles and clean title.
We don't have any snow on the ground, and sellers get a little more, er, flexible on price in the depths of the Jan-Feb season with 2 feet of snow and no end in sight. Then it's on to rounding up my buddy "Stretch", who's job it is to stand in the background, arms folded across chest looking severely disappointed and critical. (One time, he'd had enough, and in a show of disgust, walked back to the truck mid-negotiation. ... knocked $250 of the price.) :lol:
It would appear you get different results by searching "CBR", "CBR 600RR", and "CBR600RR". Which is silly. Then http://www.SearchAllJunk.com has it's own set of weird rules.
But this, for example:
...an hour away, $3200 '05 with 19k miles and clean title.
We don't have any snow on the ground, and sellers get a little more, er, flexible on price in the depths of the Jan-Feb season with 2 feet of snow and no end in sight. Then it's on to rounding up my buddy "Stretch", who's job it is to stand in the background, arms folded across chest looking severely disappointed and critical. (One time, he'd had enough, and in a show of disgust, walked back to the truck mid-negotiation. ... knocked $250 of the price.) :lol:
My favorite scheme is to be helping a friend that has a budget. Then I list off all the after-transaction expenses to be fitted into the budget, dispassionately offer the difference in immediate cash, inform that I have other avenues of pursuit and walk away after affirming that they have my contact info.teddillard"We don't have any snow on the ground said:
I discovered the method when all was true and it worked so well that now its my standard method. I imagine they see cash walking away from them that could be immediately in their pocket. It doesn't work well if the seller isn't cash-now motivated.
teddillard
100 W
Damn. Sometimes I suspect I'm a little slow. Just (finally) figured out how to automate Craigslist searches:
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/setting-up-searches-and-alerts-on-craigslist/
Works like a champ.
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/setting-up-searches-and-alerts-on-craigslist/
Works like a champ.
Rodney64
100 kW
Another option would be a hyosung 250. Theyre a 650 frame.
teddillard
100 W
No comparison. 8)
Rodney64
100 kW
I'm thinking of doing a build as well but still a way down the track.teddillard said:
teddillard
100 W
Oh my. 
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/craigslist-find-05-2500/
Rodney64, this reminded me of something I learned a while back with this foolishness. If you want a certain kind of bike, start with that kind of bike. Foolishly I started two builds with donor bikes that weren't too special, and really not what I wanted. Last time I had a blast with my vintage Yammy frame, and this time I want just the best-handling bike money can buy. That's all... (...is that so wrong? 
)
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/craigslist-find-05-2500/
Rodney64, this reminded me of something I learned a while back with this foolishness. If you want a certain kind of bike, start with that kind of bike. Foolishly I started two builds with donor bikes that weren't too special, and really not what I wanted. Last time I had a blast with my vintage Yammy frame, and this time I want just the best-handling bike money can buy. That's all...
(...is that so wrong? )By the time you remove the structural element that is the ICE engine from any modern frame, I'd be skeptical that anything is going to be better than that RD350 frame.teddillard said:Oh my.
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/craigslist-find-05-2500/
Rodney64, this reminded me of something I learned a while back with this foolishness. If you want a certain kind of bike, start with that kind of bike. Foolishly I started two builds with donor bikes that weren't too special, and really not what I wanted. Last time I had a blast with my vintage Yammy frame, and this time I want just the best-handling bike money can buy. That's all...
teddillard
100 W
There have been several instances of replacing the stressed gas motor with the battery enclosure. The Ohio State team for one, I believe Ripperton, for another. I'm aware, and we'll be doing load modeling and such as well.
teddillard
100 W
That's my thinkin'.
The EV group at Olin College: http://www.olinrevo.org/ is going to be helping on that.
I also have a stack of modeling (drivetrain) my first official team member has designed and crunched through... as soon as I can sit down and go over it I'll be posting that too.
The EV group at Olin College: http://www.olinrevo.org/ is going to be helping on that.
I also have a stack of modeling (drivetrain) my first official team member has designed and crunched through... as soon as I can sit down and go over it I'll be posting that too.
teddillard
100 W
Andrew Rivers has been hard at work putting some modeling together for the drivetrain. Read the whole story here:
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/the-cbre-drivetrain-simulation-and-modeling/
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/the-cbre-drivetrain-simulation-and-modeling/
teddillard
100 W
OK, TOTALLY frustrating few months, what with a little dusting of snow we've had here in Boston. You may have heard about it? My shop:
Andrew has been mad-busy working on the modeling though - this part is the battery data. Here's the full monty, here:
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/the-rivers-models-moar-batteries/
Andrew has been mad-busy working on the modeling though - this part is the battery data. Here's the full monty, here:
https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/the-rivers-models-moar-batteries/
teddillard
100 W
Yeah, some tough decisions on this project.
I'm putting the actual build on hold. There are a bunch of reasons behind this, but the biggest is this nagging feeling that things are going to change pretty fast in the industry in the next year, and I'd be unhappy if I spent a crap-ton of money and resources on stuff that was almost there, but not quite, and then stuff became available. Mostly I'm talking batteries and motors.
Just watching how the Leaf modules have busted open in the conversions was enough to give me pause. Plus, whether I build it for the CBRe or some other bike, the battery module idea of mine has to be more concrete and workable. It ain't there yet.
Read the whole story here: https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/the-cbre-update-industry-in-flux/
When this goes back "on", I'll be sure to update the thread. Stay tuned!
I'm putting the actual build on hold. There are a bunch of reasons behind this, but the biggest is this nagging feeling that things are going to change pretty fast in the industry in the next year, and I'd be unhappy if I spent a crap-ton of money and resources on stuff that was almost there, but not quite, and then stuff became available. Mostly I'm talking batteries and motors.
Just watching how the Leaf modules have busted open in the conversions was enough to give me pause. Plus, whether I build it for the CBRe or some other bike, the battery module idea of mine has to be more concrete and workable. It ain't there yet.
Read the whole story here: https://evmc2.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/the-cbre-update-industry-in-flux/
When this goes back "on", I'll be sure to update the thread. Stay tuned!
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