"Storm/Sondors" thread for parking contentious posts

[ebikedelight]

It makes a lot more sense to me that a funder of this little bike would be posting positive comments considering I got skin in the game, and love the bikes looks. Even stanch critics admit it looks good. What's more confusing is why people that aren't interested in it would be devoting so much time, and effort knocking not only the bike, buy anyone that likes it.

You got to admit, it's getting pretty extreme for someone to say if this bike shows up they're going to make a dog turd sandwich, and eat it on video LOL. I sure hope this guy rethinks that comment, because I pretty sure he going to have to start munching down very soon.

What makes sense to me, is objectivity..which you seem to be absent of in regards to this whole sondors situation.

his shady past , and recent problems/ misinformation, should be enough for any logical person [ even those who paid for the ebike] to have at least a few serious concerns about this guy and his intentions. In other words, if his track record is any indication of current expectations, many people may be dissapointed by june- 2016.

Has sondors,. suddenly decided to become a completely honest businessman, when hes got 5 million in cash at his disposal ?

We shall know within 4-8 weeks.

But none of these facts , addresses your behavior..and how you are so excited about a bottom of the barrel $499 budget ebike, when you claim to own $7000 stealh ebikes,.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

Someone gets convicted by default in a civil suit for not paying a headhunter fee. Excuse me if I don't find that to be as earth shattering as some people..

 

[ebikedelight]

Someone gets convicted by default in a civil suit for not paying a headhunter fee. Excuse me if I don't find that to be as earth shattering as some people..

Yeah, thats the only issue with sondors...LOL..


you are making a fool of yourself.

 

[ebikedelight]

What's more confusing is why people that aren't interested in it would be devoting so much time, and effort knocking not only the bike, but anyone that likes it...

Nonsense - why would people devoted to electric vehicles on an electric vehicle forum spend time critiquing fabrications, factual inaccuracies and exposing "shills" who ignore all the facts and continue to hawk a nonexistent product is not confusing to anyone (anyone not connected with the campaign as a proxy).

Only someone tied to a fraudulent campaign would say such things as a plastic battery cover and plastic thumb throttle "upgrade" are worth more than $1,000 while ignoring the fact that the creator is being sued by his partners (past and present), gives no specifics regarding his product, offers no guarantee of delivering anything, has been warned by the head tech writer for Yahoo to remove a fake "review" from the campaign site and on and on...any clear thinking individual interested in the industry would not ignore these facts regardless of the funds raised and the look of a picture of an ebike posted on a campaign update page...why have a forum for discussion like endless-sphere and others if not precisely to raise these issues? This isn't a shill site devoted to cheerfully promoting flawed retail products...

Very well said...and to add..

why would someone who claims to have a $7000 stealth hi performance ebike, constantly praise a $499 bottom of the barrel chinese ebike in which every single component is light years lower in quality then the stealth ebike they claim to already own ?

Teddy, makes about as much sense, as a lawnmower saleseman trying to sell his products in antartica.

 

[100volts+]

They sounded stoned layabouts. could someone decipher this statement please ?

Post edited. They sounded like stoned layabouts.

 

[ebikedelight]

I received this notification from a Funder....

This is bullshit, no communication, no ship date, the email on website is false and does not work. I am filing dispute with my card holder.

Encouraged by another person to do it, this was the Funders experience:

Oh its done.... and its why I used a specific CC. IndieGG tried to BS me and tell me it would take 90 days to get credit. LOL and stated if I inform my CC Co and tell them I made a mistake. Funny how all my questions got responses after I got my money back.

This is word for word quoted, I have sought clarification from Bill that IGG advised him to contact his Credit Card Company again and tell them he made a mistake about filing a dispute, anyway he got his money back before the 90 days he was initially advised FWIW.

If this sondors thing turns out to be a total scam...the big question I will have is, was Theodore really involved with it, in some form or another . I mean who owns a $7000 top of the line ebike, { like theodore claims ] and then makes dozens of posts bragging about a bottom of the barrel $499 chinese made ebike they have on order ?

something smells rotten in denmark.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

I received this notification from a Funder....

This is bullshit, no communication, no ship date, the email on website is false and does not work. I am filing dispute with my card holder.

Encouraged by another person to do it, this was the Funders experience:

Oh its done.... and its why I used a specific CC. IndieGG tried to BS me and tell me it would take 90 days to get credit. LOL and stated if I inform my CC Co and tell them I made a mistake. Funny how all my questions got responses after I got my money back.

This is word for word quoted, I have sought clarification from Bill that IGG advised him to contact his Credit Card Company again and tell them he made a mistake about filing a dispute, anyway he got his money back before the 90 days he was initially advised FWIW.

The guy that said this, I feel is entirely justified. Only thing is, his comment whether he knows it or not should have been directed at 2.0. The same 2.0 that believes they deserve to be paid in full, before all the other funders in spite of the high level of performance they provided, as evidenced by this funder.

One more item left out of this story is, soon after Storm fired 2.0 a new PR group took over, and now communication is running very smoothly, and funders are now getting answers to all of their emails within hours if not minutes.

Now you may be thinking why 2.0 and not Storm? Well if you've been paying attention, you noticed in the demo day video about halfway through the ceo of 2.0 was interviewed. Basically he said 2.0 is in charge of everything except manufacturing. "That frees Storm it concentrate entirely on the manufacturing process."

 

[EULITTLEB]

ebikedelight, I first clashed with Philip Hillis at the outset of this Campaign, I do not believe he is a paid stooge (as I have been accused of for Prodeco by Hillis and Olenik) but it is now an issue of saving face - he accepted on another forum that the Ivars ebike would have a likely range of 13 miles and I quoted him on that - I have asked questions which could have been easily answered if this Campaign was open and transparent, but it is not, and instead I was banned - no doubt they will claim I bought down the Campaign lol if and when it all goes pear-shaped as it likely will.

Something tells me this pending Lawsuit is purposeful and deliberately timed too, just as with the article in the LA times about Ivars "struggle with Aspbergers" which doesn't seem too worrisome in the update below. Quoting Shakespeare, impressed! (I don't appear able to upload the picture, you can view it here (http://electricbikereview.com/community/threads/the-sondors-bike-is-unravelling-a-bit.1374/page-13#post-19813)

Here’s an update for you from the ‘Sondors Electric Bike’ team:

1 new Announcement:

Happy Saturday! Just a quick update that we're trucking away on replying to each and every email we received over the past few days. If you haven't received a reply yet, no problem, we're almost to you! And don't worry, you won't loose your place in line.

And thanks again for all the awesome positive notes coming through! Our entire team appreciates it. Ok, back to your day.

But wait, we leave you with this ... what do you think about the Sondors Retro Bike? Just kidding. Carry on.

 

[EULITTLEB]

I received this notification from a Funder....

This is bullshit, no communication, no ship date, the email on website is false and does not work. I am filing dispute with my card holder.

Encouraged by another person to do it, this was the Funders experience:

Oh its done.... and its why I used a specific CC. IndieGG tried to BS me and tell me it would take 90 days to get credit. LOL and stated if I inform my CC Co and tell them I made a mistake. Funny how all my questions got responses after I got my money back.

This is word for word quoted, I have sought clarification from Bill that IGG advised him to contact his Credit Card Company again and tell them he made a mistake about filing a dispute, anyway he got his money back before the 90 days he was initially advised FWIW.

The guy that said this, I feel is entirely justified. Only thing is, his comment whether he knows it or not should have been directed at 2.0. The same 2.0 that believes they deserve to be paid in full, before all the other funders in spite of the high level of performance they provided, as evidenced by this funder.

One more item left out of this story is, soon after Storm fired 2.0 a new PR group took over, and now communication is running very smoothly, and funders are now getting answers to all of their emails within hours if not minutes.

Now you may be thinking why 2.0 and not Storm? Well if you've been paying attention, you noticed in the demo day video about halfway through the ceo of 2.0 was interviewed. Basically he said 2.0 is in charge of everything except manufacturing. "That frees Storm it concentrate entirely on the manufacturing process."

Oh please..... so you want Agency 2.0 to carry the can for the poor communication? The ads and Campaign they have run has been very good if you dismiss the questions that were never answered, and could only have been answered, by the Campaign Owner - check out IGG's T's and C's. I don't know what you are reading but responses to emails are still extremely slow and are all on a personal basis it seems in order that other people cannot learn from them/they might fund the answer to their question there. So this is where the pending lawsuit fits in does it (according to you?) Olenik and Agency 2.0 to carry the can for all the communication failings of this Campaign? Yea right. And before I get some sleep let me take you back to the Chris Davies article where he was not misquoted, Ivars claimed manufacturing was all in place, capacity of 12000-14000 bikes per month... so what was there to concentrate on (other than the switch from all parts being manufactured in-house to meet the $499 price point but now sourcing all of the shelf parts and assembly only lol)

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

ebikedelight, I first clashed with Philip Hillis at the outset of this Campaign, I do not believe he is a paid stooge (as I have been accused of for Prodeco by Hillis and Olenik) but it is now an issue of saving face - he accepted on another forum that the Ivars ebike would have a likely range of 13 miles and I quoted him on that -

Ian you love telling half truths don't you. I also explained in detail how you could also theoretically get 50 mile range too. Why do you omit that?

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

I received this notification from a Funder....

This is bullshit, no communication, no ship date, the email on website is false and does not work. I am filing dispute with my card holder.

Encouraged by another person to do it, this was the Funders experience:

Oh its done.... and its why I used a specific CC. IndieGG tried to BS me and tell me it would take 90 days to get credit. LOL and stated if I inform my CC Co and tell them I made a mistake. Funny how all my questions got responses after I got my money back.

This is word for word quoted, I have sought clarification from Bill that IGG advised him to contact his Credit Card Company again and tell them he made a mistake about filing a dispute, anyway he got his money back before the 90 days he was initially advised FWIW.

The guy that said this, I feel is entirely justified. Only thing is, his comment whether he knows it or not should have been directed at 2.0. The same 2.0 that believes they deserve to be paid in full, before all the other funders in spite of the high level of performance they provided, as evidenced by this funder.

One more item left out of this story is, soon after Storm fired 2.0 a new PR group took over, and now communication is running very smoothly, and funders are now getting answers to all of their emails within hours if not minutes.

Now you may be thinking why 2.0 and not Storm? Well if you've been paying attention, you noticed in the demo day video about halfway through the ceo of 2.0 was interviewed. Basically he said 2.0 is in charge of everything except manufacturing. "That frees Storm it concentrate entirely on the manufacturing process."

Oh please..... so you want Agency 2.0 to carry the can for the poor communication? The ads and Campaign they have run has been very good if you dismiss the questions that were never answered, and could only have been answered, by the Campaign Owner - check out IGG's T's and C's. I don't know what you are reading but responses to emails are still extremely slow and are all on a personal basis it seems in order that other people cannot learn from them/they might fund the answer to their question there. So this is where the pending lawsuit fits in does it (according to you?) Olenik and Agency 2.0 to carry the can for all the communication failings of this Campaign? Yea right. And before I get some sleep let me take you back to the Chris Davies article where he was not misquoted, Ivars claimed manufacturing was all in place, capacity of 12000-14000 bikes per month... so what was there to concentrate on (other than the switch from all parts being manufactured in-house to meet the $499 price point but now sourcing all of the shelf parts and assembly only lol)

Ian, all you got to do is go listen the demo day video. It came right out of the guys mouth just as I said. Like it or not.

 

[EULITTLEB]

ebikedelight, I first clashed with Philip Hillis at the outset of this Campaign, I do not believe he is a paid stooge (as I have been accused of for Prodeco by Hillis and Olenik) but it is now an issue of saving face - he accepted on another forum that the Ivars ebike would have a likely range of 13 miles and I quoted him on that -

Ian you love telling half truths don't you. I also explained in detail how you could also theoretically get 50 mile range too. Why do you omit that?

Theoretically you could get 1000 miles with pedal assist, 10000 miles or more, why claim 50 mile range and when called out on it the phrase *with pedal assist is added as a footnote - let's deal with realities and not 'in theory' - my Cruise ebike (pedelec) has a stated range of 100kms on ECO mode and that is achievable - you are an intelligent bloke Philip, what do you make of the claimed 90 minute battery charge (and please do not respond with "it depends on how much the battery is depleted when you put it on charge").

And on another matter, how can any ad agency communicate any information that can only be answered by the Campaign Owner in what we are led to believe is a highly specialist, advanced operation gained by years of experience designing and manufacturing McDonalds' Happy Meal toys........

If I may I will contact Agency 2.0 and advise them of your claims, since you appear so close to the Campaign and hope to one day ride with Ivars (so you can tick it off your bucket list right?)

 

[ebikedelight]

Theodore, can you explain to us your incredible excitement about a lowest budget chinese made ebike for $499...when compared to your supposed top of the line $7000 stealth bomber you currently own ?

What , could you possibly be expecting to get out of the sondors ebike, that you a are missing out of your stealth bomber, and other high end ebikes you claim to currenly own ?

No double talk from you...just give us some logical answers.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

Theodore, can you explain to us your incredible excitement about a lowest budget chinese made ebike for $499...when compared to your supposed top of the line $7000 stealth bomber you currently own ?

What , could you possibly be expecting to get out of the sondors ebike, that you a are missing out of your stealth bomber, and other high end ebikes you claim to currenly own ?

No double talk from you...just give us some logical answers.

Well actually this is a very good question.

I love my Stealth Bomber. It's the greatest Production eBike ever make, at least that a common man has any chance of affording. It's so far above the competition that there's not any competition. It's in a league of it own, and it's the major league. It's so incredible in traffic that I don't really like talking about it on an open forum. I don't mind you guys knowing, but there's possibility of people reading this that I'd rather not know about it's full capability's.

That's the good part. The problem is this, it so overwhelming in it's awesomeness that it's hard for ordinary people (bicyclers) to accept it. I'm looking for something that looks good, but isn't intimidating to the masses. I think the Strom will be perfect for this. It's not a big motorcycle, it's just a groovy little motorbike. I like to ride with the urban bicycle groups. They've actually been very accepting for the most part so far, but I'd just like to tone it down a notch when I ride with them. Can you dig it?

 

[EULITTLEB]

Theodore, can you explain to us your incredible excitement about a lowest budget chinese made ebike for $499...when compared to your supposed top of the line $7000 stealth bomber you currently own ?

What , could you possibly be expecting to get out of the sondors ebike, that you a are missing out of your stealth bomber, and other high end ebikes you claim to currenly own ?

No double talk from you...just give us some logical answers.

We actually this is a very good question.

I love my Stealth Bomber. It's the greatest Production eBike ever make, at least that a common man has any chance of affording. It's so far above the competition that there's not any competition. It's in a league of it own, and it's the major league. It's so incredible in traffic that I don't really like talking about it on an open forum. I don't mind you guys knowing, but there's possibility of people reading this that I'd rather not know about it's full capability's.

That's the good part. The problem is this, it so overwhelming in it's awesomeness that it's hard for ordinary people (bicyclers) to accept it. I'm looking for something that looks good, but isn't intimidating to the masses. I think the Strom will be perfect for this. It's not a big motorcycle, it's just a groovy little motorbike. I like to ride with the urban bicycle groups. They've actually been very accepting for the most part so far, but I'd just like to tone it down a notch when I ride with them. Can you dig it?

Can you dig it? Yes we can! (as the song goes)

You might find your urban bicycle groups might turn their respective noses up if you turn up on a Ivars Sondors ebike if it ever is delivered, just saying'

 

[ebikedelight]

Theodore, can you explain to us your incredible excitement about a lowest budget chinese made ebike for $499...when compared to your supposed top of the line $7000 stealth bomber you currently own ?

What , could you possibly be expecting to get out of the sondors ebike, that you a are missing out of your stealth bomber, and other high end ebikes you claim to currenly own ?

No double talk from you...just give us some logical answers.

Well actually this is a very good question.

I love my Stealth Bomber. It's the greatest Production eBike ever make, at least that a common man has any chance of affording. It's so far above the competition that there's not any competition. It's in a league of it own, and it's the major league. It's so incredible in traffic that I don't really like talking about it on an open forum. I don't mind you guys knowing, but there's possibility of people reading this that I'd rather not know about it's full capability's.

That's the good part. The problem is this, it so overwhelming in it's awesomeness that it's hard for ordinary people (bicyclers) to accept it. I'm looking for something that looks good, but isn't intimidating to the masses. I think the Strom will be perfect for this. It's not a big motorcycle, it's just a groovy little motorbike. I like to ride with the urban bicycle groups. They've actually been very accepting for the most part so far, but I'd just like to tone it down a notch when I ride with them. Can you dig it?

I appreciate your reply, although I consider it a bunch of hogwash...

you are basically claiming, that your current ebikes are so intimidating to the other ebike owners in your " ebike club" that you decided to purchase the most inexpensive ebike ever produced, { along with taking on the risk of not even getting a ebike from the sondors campaign} with some of the cheapest components available..and you are doing this, to basically please your other " ebiker friends"



Cmon dude..you should become a tv evangelist.

You seemed so excited that the sondors bike will now be upgraded with a .99 cent thumb throttle....LOL...yet you supposedly own 1 of the most expensive and advanced ebikes on earth called the stealth bomber.

Besides, that thumb throttle upgrade on the sondors bike, may be so advanced, it will once again intimdate the other ebikers in your ebike urban group..

better be careful about all those sondors upgrades. :wink:

Dude, you are ridiculous.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

These people are pretty nice Ian. They're not spandexers, these are casual urban riders. The kind with face book groups all over town. Although most of them don't ride eBikes, they know the wind is changing, and they're a lot more accepting then now. We have a few other eBikers that mix with them like me.

Of course they can't go very fast so a slow bike like a Storm is just fine. My bike is way overkill, even though it rides slow perfectly well.

The problem is I live way out in the burbs. I usually have ride at least 17 miles just to get to the part of the cement jungle where they ride. Then 10 or 15 miles on a ride. These people like to socialize, usually ending their rides at a bar or restaurant. Then of course I have 15 or 20 miles to get home.

I'm in my 60s, I can no longer ride that far on a bicycle, nor would I want to, especially in Texas heat.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

Someone gets convicted by default in a civil suit for not paying a headhunter fee. Excuse me if I don't find that to be as earth shattering as some people..

Yeah, thats the only issue with sondors...LOL..


you are making a fool of yourself.

What's it to you anyway. BTW I showed you my bike, now it's time to see yours.

 

[slacker]

teddy v and ian, you 2 need to get a room together.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

teddy v and ian, you 2 need to get a room together.

That might be interesting. Me and the 5 other Ian's.

 

[slacker]

hope you and ian enjoy yourself.

 

[EULITTLEB]

teddy v and ian, you 2 need to get a room together.

That might be interesting. Me and the 5 other Ian's.

As posted elsewhere I post under EULITTLEB and my own name (EULITTLB was a typo on EBR) - I smelt a rat from the very beginning and looked further into this, did a bit of research and contacted Davies, Tynan and Martin - all of whom responded. Slacker, there are many people who share these concerns, I'll share a room with all of them, you can pay to watch if you like.

I really find it interesting that Agency 2.0 are being set up by you Philip to carry the can for the failings of the Campaign in a lot of areas, notably communication. The answers to the questions I asked could only have come from the Campaign Owner and legally I carry the same status as you, I am a funder of the Sondors Campaign and as per the IGG T's and C's I have the opportunity to ask questions of the Campaign Owner, yet I never got a reply then and have been waiting 2 months. You have accused me of being paid by Prodeco (to damage the Sondors Campaign) when I am from the UK and had never heard of Prodeco before your post, I am still waiting for an apology from you.

You are far more respectful to myself and others on this forum which I personally welcome. Same with Bruce Choate who flings insults and wild accusations on IGG but why isn't he posting here and on EBR for an adult(ish) discussion?

By your own admission you will need three extra batteries (18kgs) for a day out with the boys, but I understand you are going to upgrade the battery yourself with combined BMS so good luck if you get your ebike, I suspect another sting in the tail or an extended wait.... good news for you is that all batteries, frames and motors are in full production and have been for some time........ wait for it, the camera has stopped working.

 

[EULITTLEB]

Footnote:

I needed updates that went unanswered for 3 weeks so I could try to plan overseas travel in May. If someone could have at-least responded to me I would have given the bike a try.

IMO this is crux of the lawsuit. This is why Storm is not just throwing money at 2.0. Many people reported the same experience so I know you're not exaggerating. After Strom fired 2.0 it took the new PR people a month to get caught up. If you had become a funder in the last week instead of when you did, your experience would have been a lot different.

Strom (sp) fired Agency 2.0? Now this gets really interesting, where do you get this information form (I'll follow your typos)?

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

Footnote:

I needed updates that went unanswered for 3 weeks so I could try to plan overseas travel in May. If someone could have at-least responded to me I would have given the bike a try.

IMO this is crux of the lawsuit. This is why Storm is not just throwing money at 2.0. Many people reported the same experience so I know you're not exaggerating. After Strom fired 2.0 it took the new PR people a month to get caught up. If you had become a funder in the last week instead of when you did, your experience would have been a lot different.

Strom (sp) fired Agency 2.0? Now this gets really interesting, where do you get this information form (I'll follow your typos)?

You'd make fun of a man that can hardly see to type lol?

Ian, I know a lot of things that I can't talk about until after the fact. Let's just say I've seen a little behind the curtain. The curtain is coming up soon, and everyone's questions will be answered.

 

[Theodore Voltaire]

I am a funder of the Sondors Campaign and as per the IGG T's and C's I have the opportunity to ask questions of the Campaign Owner, yet I never got a reply then and have been waiting 2 months. You have accused me of being paid by Prodeco (to damage the Sondors Campaign) when I am from the UK and had never heard of Prodeco before your post, I am still waiting for an apology from you.

You are far more respectful to myself and others on this forum which I personally welcome. Same with Bruce Choate who flings insults and wild accusations on IGG but why isn't he posting here and on EBR for an adult(ish) discussion?

Alright Ian, maybe you do deserve an apology. I no longer believe you're being paid, I'm sorry I accused you.

I thought that because you were using so many user names, and sometimes talking to yourself in the same thread you had to be a getting paid. I didn't know as much about you then. Now it's obvious you have a slight problem, and I'm not going to make fun of you for the same reason people shouldn't be making fun of Storm's condition.