beast775
100 kW
Power is Power added,i remember a guy who was peddling a bicycle rigged to a generator to watch a tv guy was outta breath in 3 minutes.
MrDude_1 said:nutspecial said:Are you also saying it's foolish to think there's no room for improvement, and that free energy can't exist?
Yes.
Nope. Wrong.nutspecial said:theory of relativity is effectively disproved with areas of quantum mechanics that show faster-than-light communication.
nutspecial said:Emc2 is equally antiquated and just as likely to be false if faster-than-light is now proven.
Because you have no formal or self education on the subject. I also have a cousin that thinks someone can program a smartphone app to drive his car...because he knows nothing about software development or robotics.nutspecial said:There's enough clues of this in my mind, to admit it is possible.
You keep saying this. You are correct in grade school math, you can run into an infinite loop with simple division.nutspecial said:Without even bringing the deficiencies of our numbers system into it, attempting to show our understanding must be incomplete. I can't believe anyone wouldn't think this, and almost get angry, but then gently remind myself that I thought the same way once.
(math can't divide 1 by 3 or draw a circle without running into infinity.)
On the issue of 1/3 = .333333...nutspecial said:mrdude:
I concede the argument to you.
edit* you're right, I'm self taught and prefer out of the box thinking, but I was once just like you :lol:
nutspecial said:.....
If I make this:
(snip)
Will it work?
Magnumb said:NASA has studied dust devils extensively when it was discovered there is significant energy (measured voltage) associated with one. This has gone towards NASA eventually sorta, kinda admitting that they now understand that dust devils on Mars, something that simply shouldn't be possible with an atmosphere 1% as dense as our own, are caused by electrical interaction in Mars atmosphere. There is for all intents and purposes no wind on Mars, dust devils have shown to spontaneously form and track across the ground and peak at altitudes of some 80 miles or more (I'll need to get you the exact number)
To understand the winds of Mars, you have to understand the planet's atmosphere. The surface temperature varies from minus 87 to minus 5 degrees Celsius (minus 125 to 23 degrees Fahrenheit). The atmosphere is mostly a mixture of carbon dioxide, nitrogen and argon, with traces of other gases. The surface pressure is very low, as Mars has a very thin atmosphere. Earth has an average air pressure of 1,013 millibars, or 29.92 inches of mercury, more than a hundred times that of Mars, at 7.5 millibars or 0.224 inches of mercury.
The sites of the Viking landers are some of the best-studied regions on Mars. Like the wind speeds of Earth, the average Martian wind speeds varied by season. At the Viking sites, the average wind speed registered at 2 to 7 meters per second (5 to 16 mph) during the Martian summer. During the fall, the average wind speed increased to 5 to 10 meters per second (11 to 22 mph). Across the year, the wind speed on Mars averaged 10 meters per second (or 22 mph).
The low gravity of Mars allows for much greater wind speeds at times. Under the right weather conditions, the wind speed on Mars can reach up to 17 to 30 meters per second. The maximum speed of 30 meters per second (60 mph) was observed during a dust storm at the Viking site.
Mars has some of the most dramatic dust storms of any planet in the solar system. The low gravity on Mars promotes much more powerful dust storms than those seen on Earth. Those on Mars are a vast, planet-wide phenomena. When the dust storms on Mars begin, they can envelope the planet's hemispheres for years at a time, creating a challenge for exploration.
nutspecial said:Hmmm, well thanks. That's kind of a snarky answer tho.
Doctorbass said:Just like it is easyier and make people happier to believe it is possible than taking the time to understand physics law and math to discover it does not work..
The worst of all is when people make video showing any free energy principle that are using trick and hidden battery or wires that power their system...
Or what is pissing me off is when people think that energy is in term of volt or watt!!! so when they see higher voltage... they believe there is higher ... not just power!!.. but ENERGY !!.. these person also rarely distinguish the difference bwteeen mAh and mA.... where energy is a matter of time...
For them volt, power and energy are the same... a 24V 5Ah battery have more energy than a 12v 10Ah battery...
for them a simple picture camera flash circuit create energy because the little 2 AA battery are creating 300Vdc inside... lol..... so thinking in the samw way why they just dont buy a 15kV Neon transformer to power their entire neighborhood... lol
That is just rediculous!
Doc
That is just rediculous!
rediculous!
nutspecial said:Hmmm, well thanks. That's kind of a snarky answer tho.
Gonz= Please do not bother to thank me. I am just glad to help you, being as how obviously you have deeply and completely examined every possible way that current mainstream physics principles and calculations, in a like way with your examining every possible way that a word can be spelled, have enabled you to definitively declare that OU is impossible
Jay= I guess it depends on how you define perp motion.
Who would define it as anything other than what we can observe around and within us?
I am happy with the best application of magnets to mimic the constant and renewing motion we see in things from the spinning of electrons at the subatomic level, to the earth and solar system spinning second by second, milenium by milenium.
Just wth does free energy or perp motion mean in your mind then? I really am curious.
(edit* in contrast,) over-unity by it's very definition means that to prove it, one must prove that all science and our perception is wrong.
I do believe in a perfect infinite fabric within all of existence,
It makes me more comfortable to face the terrible things that happen and the challenges in life, that only appear to end in death and decay.
so although unproven and maybe unproveable, I guess I do believe "overunity"
-but that video is just of 'simple machine magnet wheel utilizing gravity and magnetics to spin indefinitely"
"indefinitely" defined as "life of spin determined only by life of the magnets/ and revolving mechanics" as we can be fairly sure they will fail before gravity or physics as we know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE
nutspecial said:. . . . what you mention doesn't seem to correlate directly to anything I was asking?
Doctorbass said:Damn guys!.. look like the power of number is getting more and more important for people that believe in these "free" energy.
. . . . and with misplaced or missinterpreted data on multimeter they are trying to make people to believe that it create energy !
and... what make me laugh is when they claim that it's because of the power of gouvernment that nobody are using that to power their house or cars :lol:
Doc
nutspecial said:If I make this:
Will it work?
doctorGONZO said:There is a word spelled as rIdiculous. With an "I", not with an "E". r I d i c u l o u s.
doctorGONZO said:. . . . in a like way with your examining every possible way that a word can be spelled, have enabled you to definitively declare that OU is impossible, and, that rediculous is spelled rediculous, not, ridiculous.
doctorGONZO said:You are welcome
GONZ
Jonathan in Hiram said:Magnumb said:NASA has studied dust devils extensively when it was discovered there is significant energy (measured voltage) associated with one. This has gone towards NASA eventually sorta, kinda admitting that they now understand that dust devils on Mars, something that simply shouldn't be possible with an atmosphere 1% as dense as our own, are caused by electrical interaction in Mars atmosphere. There is for all intents and purposes no wind on Mars, dust devils have shown to spontaneously form and track across the ground and peak at altitudes of some 80 miles or more (I'll need to get you the exact number)
Mars has periodic nearly global sandstorms which sometimes take months to entirely settle out of the atmosphere.
http://science.opposingviews.com/average-wind-speed-mars-3805.html
To understand the winds of Mars, you have to understand the planet's atmosphere. The surface temperature varies from minus 87 to minus 5 degrees Celsius (minus 125 to 23 degrees Fahrenheit). The atmosphere is mostly a mixture of carbon dioxide, nitrogen and argon, with traces of other gases. The surface pressure is very low, as Mars has a very thin atmosphere. Earth has an average air pressure of 1,013 millibars, or 29.92 inches of mercury, more than a hundred times that of Mars, at 7.5 millibars or 0.224 inches of mercury.
The sites of the Viking landers are some of the best-studied regions on Mars. Like the wind speeds of Earth, the average Martian wind speeds varied by season. At the Viking sites, the average wind speed registered at 2 to 7 meters per second (5 to 16 mph) during the Martian summer. During the fall, the average wind speed increased to 5 to 10 meters per second (11 to 22 mph). Across the year, the wind speed on Mars averaged 10 meters per second (or 22 mph).
The low gravity of Mars allows for much greater wind speeds at times. Under the right weather conditions, the wind speed on Mars can reach up to 17 to 30 meters per second. The maximum speed of 30 meters per second (60 mph) was observed during a dust storm at the Viking site.
Mars has some of the most dramatic dust storms of any planet in the solar system. The low gravity on Mars promotes much more powerful dust storms than those seen on Earth. Those on Mars are a vast, planet-wide phenomena. When the dust storms on Mars begin, they can envelope the planet's hemispheres for years at a time, creating a challenge for exploration.
Magnumb said:You are correct, I was going to touch on that but felt my post was long enough. Global sandstorms on Mars are even more "impossible" than a dust devil based on the standard model. There are correlations between these global events and massive CME's among other things. There is a lot of evidence pointing to electrical interaction setting these off, to this day they completely baffle science, they have a few cute theories, but there was never anything in the standard model to predict this kind of activity. Predictive capacity of a model is central to its efficacy. Currently, the standard model has had a hell of a time predicting anything...scientists are often overtaken with shock and awe....until they find a creative way of fitting the unexpected into their model. Howeve as of late, it's been getting harder to do that. This has caused some cosmologists, physicists etc, to start looking into why...that is when things begin to get interesting.
Anyhow, 1% atmosphere, reduced gravity do not in any way set the stage for a global sandstorm. This is what I mean, they throw theories at it, but to see what it takes on earth to start a large sandstorm is staggering. In the rarified atmosphere the SR71 blackbird flew through at altitude, a couple of occasions called for ejection at Mach 3. Now that sounds like a death sentence, however, because the atmosphere is so thin, the pilots body/space suit only saw equivalent winds in the tens of miles per hour. Their descent into ever thickening atmosphere provided the friction needed to slow down. But I want to point out....that was a Mach 3 ejection.
When looking at wind speed on Mars, there isn't a direct correlation to wind speed on earth because the atmosphere is so thin. You would have to generate wind speeds in excess of Mach X to provide an equivalent wind on Mars. This is because 1% atmospheric density simply can't do the work at a given equivalent windspeed on earth. How, or where do you generate wind speeds so great on Mars to engulf it in a sandstorm, not to mention a sandstorm that towers far beyond anything on earth. I hope I'm explaining this clearly, but the reality is, science doesn't yet understand HOW this is possible, though they have theories.
There are some far more likely theories that centre on electromagnetic interaction. Interestingly, at times, these sandstorm fronts almost don't appear to move much, but just kick up vast clouds behind them.
It is indeed cool stuff. But we need to apply more than one line of thinking to solve problems, not just make everything fit a long ill fitting model.
Flying at 80,000 ft (24,000 m) meant that crews could not use standard masks, which could not provide enough oxygen above 43,000 ft (13,000 m). Specialized protective pressurized suits were produced by the David Clark Company for the A-12, YF-12, M-21 and SR-71. Furthermore, an emergency ejection at Mach 3.2 would subject crews to temperatures of about 450 °F (230 °C); thus, during a high altitude ejection scenario, an onboard oxygen supply would keep the suit pressurized during the descent
The cockpit could be pressurized to an altitude of 10,000 or 26,000 ft (3,000 or 7,900 m) during flight.[66] The cabin needed a heavy-duty cooling system, for cruising at Mach 3.2 would heat the aircraft's external surface well beyond 500 °F (260 °C)[67] and the inside of the windshield to 250 °F (120 °C). An air conditioner used a heat exchanger to dump heat from the cockpit into the fuel prior to combustion. The same air conditioning system was also used to keep the front (nose) landing gear bay cool, thereby eliminating the need for the special aluminum-impregnated tires on the main landing gear.
A mysterious plume that appeared on Mars in 2012 is testing scientists’ understanding of the Martian atmosphere.
Amateur astronomers spotted the bizarre feature rising off the edge of the red planet in March and April of 2012. It looked like a puff of dust coming off the surface, but it measured some 200 to 250 kilometres high. That is much higher than would be expected from the lower-altitude dust storms that rage across the planet.
Now a team of astronomers proposes that the plume was either a cloud of ice particles or a Martian aurora. But neither possibility fully explains the plume — raising new questions about the state of the Martian atmosphere. The study, led by astronomer Agustín Sánchez-Lavega of the University of the Basque Country in Bilbao, Spain, is published on 16 February in Nature1.
“This observation is a big surprise,” says Aymeric Spiga, a planetary scientist at the University of Pierre and Marie Curie in Paris, who was not involved in the work. “Another puzzle on Mars!”
doctorGONZO said:Doctorbass said:Just like it is easyier and make people happier to believe it is possible than taking the time to understand physics law and math to discover it does not work..
The worst of all is when people make video showing any free energy principle that are using trick and hidden battery or wires that power their system...
Or what is pissing me off is when people think that energy is in term of volt or watt!!! so when they see higher voltage... they believe there is higher ... not just power!!.. but ENERGY !!.. these person also rarely distinguish the difference bwteeen mAh and mA.... where energy is a matter of time...
For them volt, power and energy are the same... a 24V 5Ah battery have more energy than a 12v 10Ah battery...
for them a simple picture camera flash circuit create energy because the little 2 AA battery are creating 300Vdc inside... lol..... so thinking in the samw way why they just dont buy a 15kV Neon transformer to power their entire neighborhood... lol
That is just rediculous!
Doc
That is just rediculous!
rediculous!
Dear doctorBASS, I am deeply embarrassed to bring this matter to your humble attention, yet, guessing how adamant you may be about linguistic accuracy, I must inform you that there ain't no such word as rEdiculous.
There is a word spelled as rIdiculous. With an "I", not with an "E". r I d i c u l o u s.
Please do not bother to thank me. I am just glad to help you, being as how obviously you have deeply and completely examined every possible way that current mainstream physics principles and calculations, in a like way with your examining every possible way that a word can be spelled, have enabled you to definitively declare that OU is impossible, and, that rediculous is spelled rediculous, not, ridiculous.
You are welcome
GONZ
Jonathan in Hiram said:Magnumb said:You are correct, I was going to touch on that but felt my post was long enough. Global sandstorms on Mars are even more "impossible" than a dust devil based on the standard model. There are correlations between these global events and massive CME's among other things. There is a lot of evidence pointing to electrical interaction setting these off, to this day they completely baffle science, they have a few cute theories, but there was never anything in the standard model to predict this kind of activity. Predictive capacity of a model is central to its efficacy. Currently, the standard model has had a hell of a time predicting anything...scientists are often overtaken with shock and awe....until they find a creative way of fitting the unexpected into their model. Howeve as of late, it's been getting harder to do that. This has caused some cosmologists, physicists etc, to start looking into why...that is when things begin to get interesting.
Anyhow, 1% atmosphere, reduced gravity do not in any way set the stage for a global sandstorm. This is what I mean, they throw theories at it, but to see what it takes on earth to start a large sandstorm is staggering. In the rarified atmosphere the SR71 blackbird flew through at altitude, a couple of occasions called for ejection at Mach 3. Now that sounds like a death sentence, however, because the atmosphere is so thin, the pilots body/space suit only saw equivalent winds in the tens of miles per hour. Their descent into ever thickening atmosphere provided the friction needed to slow down. But I want to point out....that was a Mach 3 ejection.
When looking at wind speed on Mars, there isn't a direct correlation to wind speed on earth because the atmosphere is so thin. You would have to generate wind speeds in excess of Mach X to provide an equivalent wind on Mars. This is because 1% atmospheric density simply can't do the work at a given equivalent windspeed on earth. How, or where do you generate wind speeds so great on Mars to engulf it in a sandstorm, not to mention a sandstorm that towers far beyond anything on earth. I hope I'm explaining this clearly, but the reality is, science doesn't yet understand HOW this is possible, though they have theories.
There are some far more likely theories that centre on electromagnetic interaction. Interestingly, at times, these sandstorm fronts almost don't appear to move much, but just kick up vast clouds behind them.
It is indeed cool stuff. But we need to apply more than one line of thinking to solve problems, not just make everything fit a long ill fitting model.
Wind power rises with the cube of velocity..
http://www.iowaenergycenter.org/wind-energy-manual/wind-and-wind-power/wind-speed-and-power/
The SR71 had an air conditioning system for the cockpit since air friction at cruising speed and altitude would heat it to levels not tolerable by humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Flying at 80,000 ft (24,000 m) meant that crews could not use standard masks, which could not provide enough oxygen above 43,000 ft (13,000 m). Specialized protective pressurized suits were produced by the David Clark Company for the A-12, YF-12, M-21 and SR-71. Furthermore, an emergency ejection at Mach 3.2 would subject crews to temperatures of about 450 °F (230 °C); thus, during a high altitude ejection scenario, an onboard oxygen supply would keep the suit pressurized during the descent
The cockpit could be pressurized to an altitude of 10,000 or 26,000 ft (3,000 or 7,900 m) during flight.[66] The cabin needed a heavy-duty cooling system, for cruising at Mach 3.2 would heat the aircraft's external surface well beyond 500 °F (260 °C)[67] and the inside of the windshield to 250 °F (120 °C). An air conditioner used a heat exchanger to dump heat from the cockpit into the fuel prior to combustion. The same air conditioning system was also used to keep the front (nose) landing gear bay cool, thereby eliminating the need for the special aluminum-impregnated tires on the main landing gear.
Mars is a very dry place on the whole, a great deal of extremely fine dust that has not been caked by the presence of moisture is not going to be that difficult to stir up even with only the thin air on Mars. Static electricity in an extremely dry atmosphere would certainly also tend to keep very fine particles aloft as they repelled each other as similar static charges do.
On the other hand there really are some as yet unexplained phenomena going on in the Martian atmosphere..
http://www.nature.com/news/martian-mystery-cloud-defies-explanation-1.16924
A mysterious plume that appeared on Mars in 2012 is testing scientists’ understanding of the Martian atmosphere.
Amateur astronomers spotted the bizarre feature rising off the edge of the red planet in March and April of 2012. It looked like a puff of dust coming off the surface, but it measured some 200 to 250 kilometres high. That is much higher than would be expected from the lower-altitude dust storms that rage across the planet.
Now a team of astronomers proposes that the plume was either a cloud of ice particles or a Martian aurora. But neither possibility fully explains the plume — raising new questions about the state of the Martian atmosphere. The study, led by astronomer Agustín Sánchez-Lavega of the University of the Basque Country in Bilbao, Spain, is published on 16 February in Nature1.
“This observation is a big surprise,” says Aymeric Spiga, a planetary scientist at the University of Pierre and Marie Curie in Paris, who was not involved in the work. “Another puzzle on Mars!”