Uphill on Phantom X2? Post your experiences

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I am looking for an electric bike to rehabilitate my recent knee injury. The doctor said to be careful with hill climbing on my bike because of the stress it might put on my knee. With this in mind, I want to make sure I don't hurt my knee while climbing hills. I would like to commute to work on this bike, but the problem is uphill riding both ways (I live in Albuquerque, so I ride downhill half way to work towards the river valley, then uphill the rest of the way). These are some pretty steep hills that I struggled with when I was younger and in decent shape, so I'm concerned now with a bad knee and being out of shape. I have pretty much settled on either the Phantom X2 (500W), but would consider the Outlaw SS (750W) if people have some real data showing I need the 750W motor. I am a big guy, and I tend to carry a lot of weight in my bags (laptop, food, etc.).

What I would like to see is some real world experiences from Phantom X2 owners, Outlaw SS owners, and owners of comparable bikes that have some helpful input. Please tell me your bike and battery specs, and total weight of you plus baggage, since weight is such a huge factor.
 
I found the following thread and didn't see any real complaints with these 36V motors, but I still am leaning towards a 48V motor:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27905

After reading through a lot of these threads I'm starting to think about building my own bike. I am an engineer by trade, and have the technical ability and know-how to put together my own bike and select the components, but I was kind of looking forward to getting started riding right away, as well as having a 2-year waranty where I could take the bike to the local dealer if I had any problems. However, there seems to be a big jump in price between the 36V and 48V commercial bikes, and at those 48V bike prices I'm starting to lean towards a DIY solution.

I am looking at this kit:
https://www.yescomusa.com/Brushless_Electric_Bicycle_Engine-_48v_1000w_Rear_Wheel_Hub_Motor_Kit.html

As well as one of these batteries:
http://www.pingbattery.com/servlet/the-12/48V-15AH-V2.5-LiFePO4/Detail
http://www.pingbattery.com/servlet/the-2/lifepo4-lithium-ion-phosphate/Detail

If I go DIY, I will most likely try to build a battery enclosure that I can put above the crank to help with balance. I really don't like how Prodeco and other companies put the battery over the rear wheel. I also have a Topeak removeable pannier bag that locks in place on my Topeak rack, which I would be unable to use with a battery over the rear wheel.

I'm also looking for a reasonable 26" bike to use for this project, preferably with disc brakes and front suspension, as well as a more upright position since I will be using this bike mostly as a commuter.
I found this bike, but it's priced ($490) more than I'd like to spend and doesn't have disc brakes, although I like the upright riding position:
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/sedona.dx/11509/55863/

I'm adding up the costs right now, and if I can put together a good 48V setup that is below $1500 (price of the 36V Phantom X2) then I'll probably go that route. I seem to be talking myself out of buying a commercial bike. :)

I'm going to search reviews on the YescomUSA 48V/1000W kits to see if anyone mentions uphill performance. Anyone with 48V/1000W setups feel free to chime in with your uphill experience.

After seeing this video of a HPC 1800W bike, I'm concerned that even a 48V/1000W setup won't be enough to get a big guy like me carrying gear up hills like in this video. The incline this guy is going up is very similar to the hills I will need to climb on my commute, and the hills on my commute are much longer. With my bum knee, I need to be able to depend on the bike to get me up these hills without pedalling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWx5l34u2SE

I'm fine with going slow up the hills on motor only, even if my top speed is 5-10mph. On the flats I'm fine with 20-25mph top speed. I just want a dependable ride that will get me to work and back, which is about 24 miles round trip. I can charge the battery in my office at work, but I'd like enough capacity to make the round trip without charging, in case I forget to charge or something else comes up. I understand that uphill drains the battery a lot faster as well, which is why I'm leaning towards the 20Ah battery.
 
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