DingusMcGee
10 kW
Recently I seen this message from an eBay seller:
New message from: re.cycle.d.mountainracing (2,953RED_STAR Star)
“Hello -
Our basic expectation is 24h for a response, this expectation is stated in all our listings
glad you found something, we understand we dont win every sale
In general we do not support MTB to high power e-bike conversions because of the numerous safety issues that arise from using the frames in application that they were not originally designed for - Ride at your own risk
Regards, Keyth”
Note the wording “…they were not originally designed..”. We Ebike DIY builders frequently hear a similar repeat of the quoted phase. Such phrases similar to this one likely mean “bikes were not designed [to be used for?] as an Ebike”. In world of meaningful verbal exchange this statement is the premise of an argument. The argument form used here is called “begging the question” or Circular Reasoning and is fallacious. What question? The begging question is ,”So what is your conclusion?” The speaker of such phases expects you to knows his conclusion that he does not state.
From that premise some conclusions might be they then are unsafe after conversion. Or a lesser conclusion would be they are unsuited. How so? We modify them. E.g. put better brakes and tires on the bike. Usually no substantiation of assertions happens.
The arguments that address suitability or unsuitability are never stated. Such conversions of bikes to Ebikes makes them something partially out of the category of generic bikes.
Again on the eBay chat: Keith after the stating the design premise goes on to state what may seem to be a conclusion: [therfore] …’they have “safety issues”’. This statement is just another case of begging the question. Your question to ask is, “What are the safety issues? What is your substaniation?”
Such is talking with Nerds?
Hoorays for Suchness…..Continue Navigating — with numerous frame safety issues?
New message from: re.cycle.d.mountainracing (2,953RED_STAR Star)
“Hello -
Our basic expectation is 24h for a response, this expectation is stated in all our listings
glad you found something, we understand we dont win every sale
In general we do not support MTB to high power e-bike conversions because of the numerous safety issues that arise from using the frames in application that they were not originally designed for - Ride at your own risk
Regards, Keyth”
Note the wording “…they were not originally designed..”. We Ebike DIY builders frequently hear a similar repeat of the quoted phase. Such phrases similar to this one likely mean “bikes were not designed [to be used for?] as an Ebike”. In world of meaningful verbal exchange this statement is the premise of an argument. The argument form used here is called “begging the question” or Circular Reasoning and is fallacious. What question? The begging question is ,”So what is your conclusion?” The speaker of such phases expects you to knows his conclusion that he does not state.
From that premise some conclusions might be they then are unsafe after conversion. Or a lesser conclusion would be they are unsuited. How so? We modify them. E.g. put better brakes and tires on the bike. Usually no substantiation of assertions happens.
The arguments that address suitability or unsuitability are never stated. Such conversions of bikes to Ebikes makes them something partially out of the category of generic bikes.
Again on the eBay chat: Keith after the stating the design premise goes on to state what may seem to be a conclusion: [therfore] …’they have “safety issues”’. This statement is just another case of begging the question. Your question to ask is, “What are the safety issues? What is your substaniation?”
Such is talking with Nerds?
Hoorays for Suchness…..Continue Navigating — with numerous frame safety issues?