larsb
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After 20 years driving motorbikes i always look two or three times before i turn or switch lane when i’m in a car. All car drivers should take a bike awareness course and spend some time on a bike in traffic.
Discussions aren't the same quality without Chalo
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Dauntless
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Dang, if Chalo were here, think of the fight he could have with the one guy, er, three guys. . . .
larsb said:
Sounds like you have a problem with your mirrors or vision. Some things, like a tricky intersection with traffic coming both ways can be worth clearing that many times. A simple lane change with properly adjusted mirrors should take a single glance at the mirror only. A caveat to this is you need to look in your mirrors (or rear view, in a car) constantly so you know who is coming up from behind and where. That way surprises are a minimum.
Rix
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Punx0r said:
Holy crap, maybe thats what he meant? Its possible we have been talking about two different setup circumstances the whole time and didn't realize it. Now that you mention the bicycle rim with MC spokes, that may have been his point. Funny thing is, all this time I thought Chalo was lacking insight, when maybe, he was referencing bicycle rims where I was referencing MC rims.
This would explain why I couldn't figure out how Chalo could be so smart and not see things my way. 
i can't find the specific post atm, but what i got from him was that the spokes simply can't be so thick that the tensioned required for them will be greater than whatever the rim was designed to be tensioned to.
if they are, the rim will either deform or crack (assuming the hub flange is strong enough to not deform or crack first, and it usually is), loosening the tension, which then lets the spokes break (typically at the j-bend).
i've seen this happen in plenty of (regular bicycle) wheels over the decades, and several hubmotor wheels in the last decade, but until he explained it i didn't know why.
of course, spokes too thin to take the stresses of a specific load will also break, as can a rim that's insufficiently thick or not designed for that load. seen that one a lot, too, since my bikes are all cargo bikes.
since mostly what people here deal with are bicycle wheels, specifically bicycle rims with spokes thicker than they're designed for (common hubmotor wheels mostly), that's mostly what he helped people with understanding, so most of his spoke/rim/wheel posts are about that specific combination.
sometimes people would get into the "spoke cold war" problem, of upgrading the spokes to be even thicker because they kept breaking, then the rim because it broke from the even-more-oversize spokes, so they end up with heavy motorcycle wheels (and tires), when all they really needed to do was to use *thinner* spokes that were suitable for their original rim (at least, as long as it wasn't already damaged). and he'd post about that, too (or i would, once i'd learned what caused the problem).
if they are, the rim will either deform or crack (assuming the hub flange is strong enough to not deform or crack first, and it usually is), loosening the tension, which then lets the spokes break (typically at the j-bend).
i've seen this happen in plenty of (regular bicycle) wheels over the decades, and several hubmotor wheels in the last decade, but until he explained it i didn't know why.
of course, spokes too thin to take the stresses of a specific load will also break, as can a rim that's insufficiently thick or not designed for that load. seen that one a lot, too, since my bikes are all cargo bikes.
since mostly what people here deal with are bicycle wheels, specifically bicycle rims with spokes thicker than they're designed for (common hubmotor wheels mostly), that's mostly what he helped people with understanding, so most of his spoke/rim/wheel posts are about that specific combination.
sometimes people would get into the "spoke cold war" problem, of upgrading the spokes to be even thicker because they kept breaking, then the rim because it broke from the even-more-oversize spokes, so they end up with heavy motorcycle wheels (and tires), when all they really needed to do was to use *thinner* spokes that were suitable for their original rim (at least, as long as it wasn't already damaged). and he'd post about that, too (or i would, once i'd learned what caused the problem).
flat tire said:
I would say that the vast majority of drivers have absolutely no idea how or where their side view mirrors should be adjusted. Most all of them have them aimed inward to the point of uselessness. They become a confusing redundant rear view mirror with no sidewards visibility past the side of their own vehicle and lane. That's why half the new cars on the road have gizmos to do the thinking looking and driving for them. They're oblivious.
e-beach
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HK12K said:
Mirrors are old fashioned. Besides, who need to look at a mirror while driving when one can look at a smart phone. besides that, with all those gizmos, they will become more oblivious. Lets just hope that the gizmos work.
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larsb
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flat tire said:
No problem with mirrors or vision, only caring for others. I’ve had motos coming quickly from the rear or adjoining roads. You blink, you miss them - that’s why you look twice.
John in CR
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larsb said:
Down here car and truck drivers do give a bit more respect to those of us on 2 wheels, however, a majority have been trained through experience that using their ears is enough. We're so silent that too often it makes us invisible, and I've seen that's even more true for pedestrians. The bottom line is that we have to ride as if we are invisible to stay safe. The beauty of that is multi-fold.
First and foremost - we take the decision making out of the hands of others and put our safety square on our own shoulders.
Second- Our silence enables us to be so aware of our surroundings that the extra courtesy we extend to others does not go unnoticed. eg I very often yield and allow buses to merge into traffic. Because I am so polite to them I've noticed that they are far more courteous to me than they are to gas spewing noise making hogs on the road. I saw the same in the small town I moved from in 2018, and now in an area where I interact with 10X or 20X the number of buses I see the same thing. At first they treated me as the same minuscule road obstruction as common motos, but in a very short time I noticed much more courtesy. Whether it's the drivers wanting to see this silent electric vehicle zoom by or just allow that bit of space to someone they know gave them their big space, I don't know. The bottom line over the past decade is "be nice to others and they'll be nice to you" puts us way in the plus column as long as we ride with common courtesy.
As of today our incredibly loose legal definitions related to electric transportation are awesome. That is a 5kw cutoff, however ambiguously worded, means 5kw and up makes it legally a motorcyle, and under 5kw makes it a "motobici" that doesn't require registration, fees/taxes, or inspection, as well as no pedals, no weight limits or anything else. IOW I have true freedom to experiment with electric transportation in any way I can dream up that might benefit our planet without any red tape whatsoever.
grindz145
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Rix said:
Glad to hear that. Sometimes it's hard to understand people through their disembodied comments in a forum. I'm going to unblock him and give him another shot.
unless you just want to read what he's already posted, and not reply, it'll be tough to do since he was banned some time back. :/ (which afaik is why this thread was revived)
Chalo's still on rec.bicycles.tech. One of his gems for example.
markz
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Dauntless said:
Chalo is here in spirit.
e-beach
10 MW
mark5 said:
Well, the title did say "Off Topic."
markz
100 TW
I've personally never seen 'Google Groups' before, and only really randomly ran into 'reddit' once or twice but I know more about that then GG's.
Can you pass me the salt :wink:
Can you pass me the salt :wink:
Dauntless
100 TW
markz said:
Is there more to that than meets the eye?
sn0wchyld
100 kW
I'd be curious to know what too - not only because im curious, but because I dont think its worth my time to contribute to a community that would ban someone unreasonably (not saying it was here) - there's far to much policing of tone and content going on in general on the net and in real life / keeping things PC (again not necessarily here, just a worrying thing to see). I had my disagreements with the bloke but never saw anything that would justify banning - though I understand it was PMs that brought about his downfall so may have been different behind the scenes.John in CR said:
I largely feel the same - I dont think there's been anything I've posted, even during the meltdowns of EG that would justify my banning and if such a ban ever did come then short of a very clear explanation and reasonable reason (accepting my subjectivity in judging them) I'd be gone too. For EG to be allowed to behave as he did for as long as he did, getting the appeasements he got (ability to get mods to clean 'his' threads), and only be banned once he started deleting his posts makes me wonder just how bad other members had to behave to justify their own banning.Lebowski said:
Its a shame too to loose other valuable contributors like luke - it'd be good if he gave a reason for it too, as he was always a very valuable resource.
Lebowski
10 MW
I wonder too what happened with Luke...
Dauntless
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sn0wchyld said:
It's explained with him, there was a period of years where it was up and down and he'd been suspended. This thread was started the first time.
The new guy was intense, but there was not yet the volume or the duration as had been with Chalo. Who may not have been so interested in continuing when they banned him.
I don't think what people were hoping for is going to come of reviving this thread.
Forgive my speculation, but if and when confronted by staff EG more than likely claimed victimization and deferred blame to those repeatedly taking him to task in a none too gentle way. I suspect he promised to be good.
Chalo probably just told them to pound sand up the tip of their....
You get the idea.
Some people will take their ball and leave just to make a point. "You don't want me here, fine, get bent and goodbye"
Just speculation though. I don't know and wasn't involved in any of it.
Chalo probably just told them to pound sand up the tip of their....
You get the idea.
Some people will take their ball and leave just to make a point. "You don't want me here, fine, get bent and goodbye"
Just speculation though. I don't know and wasn't involved in any of it.
markz
100 TW
Chalo had some great insight thats for sure. Excellent knowledge on all things bicycles and rickshaws.
Speculation here: I am sure he was warned a few times too many and leeway was given, or not.
Speculation here: I am sure he was warned a few times too many and leeway was given, or not.
first rule of italien driving....e-beach said:Mirrors are old fashioned. Besides, who need to look at a mirror while driving when one can look at a smart phone. besides that, with all those gizmos, they will become more oblivious. Lets just hope that the gizmos work.
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https://endless-sphere.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=71129markz said:
admin, price check on aisle three (bans)....