raylo32
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What about electric scooters? Those things are really dangerous. Seen a pair of kids riding one tandem going 35 MPH here. No protective gear.
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Got busted for riding my ebike
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I'm shocked by looking at the number of laws/rules/regulations there are over ebikes in Australia. I guess those are supported by the majority?
raylo32
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They apparently have very strict motor vehicle traffic laws and enforcement, too. None of this "15MPH over the limit is OK" stuff like we have here.
Stealth_Chopper
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Hello, Thanks for your work on this forum.
Today is the first time I have read about your experience.
I have experience with tickets during this age we are living through and I hope you have not just paid it becuase:
Consider: Writing a letter in your own words and in your own hand writing signed stamped and mailed USPS to the judge who will actually decide what will happen to you and will determine if the ranger had reason to interact with you that day upon his/her interpretation of the regulation in that situation in hindsight and be judged according to the book.
You may well find that a donation to a 501C of your choice will be advised. Good Luck
I agree;some scooters can travel up to 65 mph. I haven't seen any laws about them in CA (although there must be something).
My bike is a fat tire bike with a BBSHD. It does stand out, which I think is part of the reason the ranger stopped me.
After researching the park rules, it does clearly state that ebikes are not allowed on these particular fire roads. Why, I'm not sure. I'd like to get the rules changed. Apparently there are people riding things like Sur-rons and Stealth Bombers on the trails. I don't think bikes like those should be allowed either.
Meanwhile, it looks like I can claim my bike is a "other power driven mobility device" since I'm old and I have health issues that prevent me from riding a regular bike up the hills. In the rules there is an exception for OPDMDs. Even when I was a lot younger and in good shape, I couldn't get very far on a regular bike. The hills are just too steep.
Hwy89
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Fechter, as another victim of too many calendars past, I’m hoping you will elaborate on the success of the mobility device excuse. Would it help to carry a letter from a MD?
There are places where the rules change on fire roads and trails as they cross jurisdictional boundaries and you can find that ten miles into a ride you are suddenly breaking the rules.
There are places where the rules change on fire roads and trails as they cross jurisdictional boundaries and you can find that ten miles into a ride you are suddenly breaking the rules.
999zip999
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Fechter looks like an electric motorcycle to me Sorry. You need to go for the homeless look make it so ugly no one wants to steal it or look at it. Make it so ugly people's heads turn away that's what I do at 43 mph.
I mean if you're ugly enough nobody wants to look at you.
Fetcher you must look like Rock Hudson going down there on your electric motorcycle.
If I was you I'd go for the hunchback of Notre Dame look one high eye one big eye a fake bump on your back and a wart on your nose with hair coming out
I'm just saying.
Make a fund I donate some money under $5
I mean if you're ugly enough nobody wants to look at you.
Fetcher you must look like Rock Hudson going down there on your electric motorcycle.
If I was you I'd go for the hunchback of Notre Dame look one high eye one big eye a fake bump on your back and a wart on your nose with hair coming out
I'm just saying.
Make a fund I donate some money under $5
If your pic is shot in the area you received the ticket, then it's tempting me to break the rules too. Either that or pull my mountain bike down from the rafters. The health thing is interesting. If that works out, that may be the workaround. Good luck!
EDIT: I'm not sure the ticket is specifically related to regulating ebikes, but a good law to enforce from an accounting perspective. Enforcing this law generates revenue, compared to busting a shoplifter, burglar or car thief, which requires resources. Plus, someone on a nice ebike can likely afford the fine. The perfect crime, to enforce.
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If memory serves, A2B
I rode the A2B for a couple years before I got the fat bike. Motor overheating was an issue at lower speeds.
There are a lot of very nice areas I can just ride my bike to.
There are a lot of very nice areas I can just ride my bike to.
Here's the old A2B. I still have it but haven't ridden it for a long time. I should sell it.
Hmm, what's the lowest stand over height on the A2B with the seatpost bottomed out?
Motorized bikes are also banned on some of the trails. I always pedal to get some exercise, but also to avoid too much attention from anyone. Also slowing down helps when there are people around.
Recently I am sighting Surrons in my area. Pretty soon, there will be a crackdown on ebikes and stricter rules.
Recently I am sighting Surrons in my area. Pretty soon, there will be a crackdown on ebikes and stricter rules.
My friend just bought an ebike and sent me a pic of a no motorized vehicles sign on the bike path by his house. East Bay Regional parks district. The sign wasn't new, but not too old, but the OmniBike law that went into effect 6 months ago removes the ability for cities or local governing bodies to prohibit ebikes on bike paths. They do have that leeway on hiking/equestrian trails. Looking at EBR, it appears to be a local governing body with respect to rules for the parks managed in the area, so at least for the path by his house, seems ebikes should be OK.
At least here in AZ, bicycles are defined as specifically *not* vehicles, so whether they are motorized or not, such signs do not apply to them (regardless of the intent of the sign). One link on the topic: Bicycles are not motor vehicles, and why it matters And since the definition in AZ title 28 doesn't use the word "exclusively" regarding human power, it means that even if it has motor assist, if it is also moved by human power, it is still not a vehicle. (how lawyers will twist everything to their advantage instead of yours, well, I can't comment on that). But just in case, the definition was updated, as discussed here Ebike bill rides again .
So here in AZ, that sign would have to specifically exclude bicycles and/or electric bicycles by name; "motorized vehicles" cannot apply to them.
(of course, if a law was passed banning bicycles or ebikes from some place or path, it wouldn't matter if there was a sign there specific to it, it would just mean that only those keeping up on the laws would know about it, which would almost certainly not include most users of it).
You should check the legal definitions where you are (usually at state level, in the department of transportation definitions) to see if bicycles are classed the same way there.
Note that just like with any other law / definition, this doesn't mean you wouldn't be harassed, ticketed, etc--just that you could use that in a court to (assuming the people are sensible) have it tossed out.
So here in AZ, that sign would have to specifically exclude bicycles and/or electric bicycles by name; "motorized vehicles" cannot apply to them.
(of course, if a law was passed banning bicycles or ebikes from some place or path, it wouldn't matter if there was a sign there specific to it, it would just mean that only those keeping up on the laws would know about it, which would almost certainly not include most users of it).
You should check the legal definitions where you are (usually at state level, in the department of transportation definitions) to see if bicycles are classed the same way there.
Note that just like with any other law / definition, this doesn't mean you wouldn't be harassed, ticketed, etc--just that you could use that in a court to (assuming the people are sensible) have it tossed out.
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chuyskywalker
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What a bummer, man. Feels like ebiking has finally hit that critical mass inflection point similar to the great ski-vs-snowboard era.
Hopefully it shakes out the same way eventually where everybody just co-exists.
999zip999
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What he bikes are prohibited in Orange county ?
I haven't seen it down here in the southern end. But we're pretty quiet and came down here. I understand in LA or even more in San Francisco where everyone's so compact. Or like the crackdown a few years ago in New York City where all the pizza and Chinese food delivery guys or just riding all over the place they had to shut it down. With all these 12 to 15 year old kids that don't know what they're doing popular lilies and tearing up the grass will have new laws oh yeah you're not supposed to ride an electric e-bike to your after 16.
I haven't seen it down here in the southern end. But we're pretty quiet and came down here. I understand in LA or even more in San Francisco where everyone's so compact. Or like the crackdown a few years ago in New York City where all the pizza and Chinese food delivery guys or just riding all over the place they had to shut it down. With all these 12 to 15 year old kids that don't know what they're doing popular lilies and tearing up the grass will have new laws oh yeah you're not supposed to ride an electric e-bike to your after 16.
willstealthy
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I live in Fairfield Ca...northern..love China camp haven't been there in awhile, we have a mountain bike park, rockville regional but ebikes are NOT allowed, too bad such a nice park..recently some people were in disagreement and a poll was setup where you payed the waterbill and it was a one question poll. Should ebikes be allowed at Rockville...of course I answered YES.
Dui ni shuo de dui
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Well that is the world of today. Everything gets forbidden for everyone if it bothers one or two c**ts who complain loudly enough.
That's been going on worlwide for pretty much anything.
The only way to solve it is to complain louder.
That's been going on worlwide for pretty much anything.
The only way to solve it is to complain louder.
